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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would this behavior serve?
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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would this behavior serve?
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I'll not find it quickly but one of Orson Scott Card's spin-off short stories from the Ender World universe is describing gold-digging insects (bugs, these were not ants). They were though artificially altered (normally they were digging and "digesting" some other mineral that was becoming their shell material).
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A gold-digging ant? Well, I suppose for the same reason anyone else does - to obtain access to money and social standing to which they weren't born through a monogamous (if relatively temporary) relationship, but without the negative consequences and social approbation inherent in direct prostitution. See related terms such as "kept ant", "trophy hive", etc, etc.
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I was working for a company (I don't want to name them as there is no publicly available source) - they designed and manufactured ESP-s. In the early product versions the housing was pre-mold (there were small openings on it). They got back some defect devices from the field in South America, the problem was, that some gold bonds (wires) were missing. They could not find the reason, until they found a dead ant inside one of the returned devices. Apparently some small south american ants are able to eat gold wires...
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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would this behavior serve?
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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would this behavior serve?
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I'll not find it quickly but one of Orson Scott Card's spin-off short stories from the Ender World universe is describing gold-digging insects (bugs, these were not ants). They were though artificially altered (normally they were digging and "digesting" some other mineral that was becoming their shell material).
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A gold-digging ant? Well, I suppose for the same reason anyone else does - to obtain access to money and social standing to which they weren't born through a monogamous (if relatively temporary) relationship, but without the negative consequences and social approbation inherent in direct prostitution. See related terms such as "kept ant", "trophy hive", etc, etc.
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I was working for a company (I don't want to name them as there is no publicly available source) - they designed and manufactured ESP-s. In the early product versions the housing was pre-mold (there were small openings on it). They got back some defect devices from the field in South America, the problem was, that some gold bonds (wires) were missing. They could not find the reason, until they found a dead ant inside one of the returned devices. Apparently some small south american ants are able to eat gold wires...
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I'll not find it quickly but one of Orson Scott Card's spin-off short stories from the Ender World universe is describing gold-digging insects (bugs, these were not ants). They were though artificially altered (normally they were digging and "digesting" some other mineral that was becoming their shell material).
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A gold-digging ant? Well, I suppose for the same reason anyone else does - to obtain access to money and social standing to which they weren't born through a monogamous (if relatively temporary) relationship, but without the negative consequences and social approbation inherent in direct prostitution. See related terms such as "kept ant", "trophy hive", etc, etc.
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I was working for a company (I don't want to name them as there is no publicly available source) - they designed and manufactured ESP-s. In the early product versions the housing was pre-mold (there were small openings on it). They got back some defect devices from the field in South America, the problem was, that some gold bonds (wires) were missing. They could not find the reason, until they found a dead ant inside one of the returned devices. Apparently some small south american ants are able to eat gold wires...
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I'll not find it quickly but one of Orson Scott Card's spin-off short stories from the Ender World universe is describing gold-digging insects (bugs, these were not ants). They were though artificially altered (normally they were digging and "digesting" some other mineral that was becoming their shell material).
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I'll not find it quickly but one of Orson Scott Card's spin-off short stories from the Ender World universe is describing gold-digging insects (bugs, these were not ants). They were though artificially altered (normally they were digging and "digesting" some other mineral that was becoming their shell material).
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A gold-digging ant? Well, I suppose for the same reason anyone else does - to obtain access to money and social standing to which they weren't born through a monogamous (if relatively temporary) relationship, but without the negative consequences and social approbation inherent in direct prostitution. See related terms such as "kept ant", "trophy hive", etc, etc.
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– Bob Jarvis
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A gold-digging ant? Well, I suppose for the same reason anyone else does - to obtain access to money and social standing to which they weren't born through a monogamous (if relatively temporary) relationship, but without the negative consequences and social approbation inherent in direct prostitution. See related terms such as "kept ant", "trophy hive", etc, etc.
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I was working for a company (I don't want to name them as there is no publicly available source) - they designed and manufactured ESP-s. In the early product versions the housing was pre-mold (there were small openings on it). They got back some defect devices from the field in South America, the problem was, that some gold bonds (wires) were missing. They could not find the reason, until they found a dead ant inside one of the returned devices. Apparently some small south american ants are able to eat gold wires...
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I was working for a company (I don't want to name them as there is no publicly available source) - they designed and manufactured ESP-s. In the early product versions the housing was pre-mold (there were small openings on it). They got back some defect devices from the field in South America, the problem was, that some gold bonds (wires) were missing. They could not find the reason, until they found a dead ant inside one of the returned devices. Apparently some small south american ants are able to eat gold wires...
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Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
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It makes their chimneys work better.
The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.
The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:
- It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.
Attribution BBC 2019
- It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.
Attribution: Darwin's Toolkit by UW–Madison CALS 2019
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+1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
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@Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
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fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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The problem with this is that the ants might use any other material that has similar heat/light reflection properties instead, if it is more plentiful than gold.
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They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows
What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.
The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.
They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.
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Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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@colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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Electrical conduction
Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.
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Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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The ants are giant packrats!
The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/
There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.
http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm
The mountain ant
In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html
Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.
They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
-- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.
Here is a colony of these big marmots.
https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/
But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!
https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/
That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
objects small enough for the critter to haul off.
So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.
I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.
@chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.
Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.
Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...
Amberrat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.
Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.
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This is one most excellent piece of research!
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– AlexP
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Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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This is a good answer but OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question."
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I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.
Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.
Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T
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They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.
They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.
The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.
Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.
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this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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If all the ants that respond to the pheromone are burned, when a queen eventually develops that ignores the pheromone, that colony will thrive and create new colonies. Maybe you should use a reward instead so this doesn't happen. If the ants brought the gold to the jars in exchange to a reward like food, it would be beneficial for those colonies to provide gold, and they would out-compete any other ant colonies who don't trade for food. If they shed the integument periodically, they could bring the shed parts to trade.
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Sex
First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.
Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.
So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.
It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.
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Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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@Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question." Based on that I think the OP is specifically interested in what we understand are ants, not large ants, not large mammals, just ants.
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Gold helps with their Farming
They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:
- Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.
- Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.
Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.
Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.
Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).
And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.
[The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]
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It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.
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Not sure who downvoted this, especially without leaving a reason. I see no reason some sort of symbiotic relationship couldn't have evolved, where a humanoid species who covets gold discovers some ants who coincidentally happen to be expelling gold chunks from their tunnels, and then cultivate and feed and spread these ants (destroying nests that churn up useless crap, effectively selecting for gold-farming). Even after the civilization is long gone, without a specific and highly aggressive predator the species will likely continue on for millennia.
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Dummy gold war
They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.
Very effective.
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Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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@liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
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Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
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@Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vavilovian_mimicry is when "self-domestication" happens in plants. Also see things like antibiotic resistance, pesticide resistance, and the ever-growing list of rat poisons that no longer work to poison rats.
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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Their large size is the key.
These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.
Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.
So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.
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Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.
Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.
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This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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It is possible to train ants. For example, these articles mention doing this incidentally to their main line of research:
Desert ants do not acquire and use a three-dimensional global vector
Ants on stilts
Training them to collect things is admittedly a bit of a further stretch, but it isn’t totally outlandish.
By the way, the legend stretches way back into antiquity, long before the middle ages, to at least AD 79, in Pliny’s Natural History Book XI, section XXXVI:
The horns of an Indian ant fixed up in the Temple of Hercules were one of the sights of Erythrae. These ants carry gold out of caves in the earth in the region of the Northern Indians called the Dardae. The creatures are of the colour of cats and the size of Egyptian wolves. The gold that they dig up in winter time the Indians steal in the hot weather of summer, when the heat makes the ants hide in burrows; but nevertheless they are attracted by their scent and fly out and sting them repeatedly although retreating on very fast camels: such speed and such ferocity do these creatures combine with their love of gold.
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Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
this behavior serve?
It makes their chimneys work better.
The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.
The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:
- It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.
Attribution BBC 2019
- It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.
Attribution: Darwin's Toolkit by UW–Madison CALS 2019
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+1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
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– Cyn
2 days ago
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@Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
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fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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– John
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Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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– vsz
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The problem with this is that the ants might use any other material that has similar heat/light reflection properties instead, if it is more plentiful than gold.
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– cowlinator
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Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
this behavior serve?
It makes their chimneys work better.
The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.
The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:
- It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.
Attribution BBC 2019
- It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.
Attribution: Darwin's Toolkit by UW–Madison CALS 2019
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+1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
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– Cyn
2 days ago
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@Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
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– Agrajag
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fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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– John
2 days ago
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Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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– vsz
2 days ago
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The problem with this is that the ants might use any other material that has similar heat/light reflection properties instead, if it is more plentiful than gold.
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– cowlinator
13 hours ago
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Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
this behavior serve?
It makes their chimneys work better.
The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.
The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:
- It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.
Attribution BBC 2019
- It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.
Attribution: Darwin's Toolkit by UW–Madison CALS 2019
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Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
this behavior serve?
It makes their chimneys work better.
The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.
The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:
- It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.
Attribution BBC 2019
- It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.
Attribution: Darwin's Toolkit by UW–Madison CALS 2019
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+1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
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– Cyn
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@Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
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– Agrajag
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fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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– John
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Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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– vsz
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The problem with this is that the ants might use any other material that has similar heat/light reflection properties instead, if it is more plentiful than gold.
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– cowlinator
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+1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
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– Cyn
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@Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
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– Agrajag
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fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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– John
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Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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– vsz
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The problem with this is that the ants might use any other material that has similar heat/light reflection properties instead, if it is more plentiful than gold.
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– cowlinator
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+1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
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– Cyn
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+1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
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– Cyn
2 days ago
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@Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
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– Agrajag
2 days ago
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@Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
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– Agrajag
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fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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– John
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fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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– John
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Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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– vsz
2 days ago
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Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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– vsz
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The problem with this is that the ants might use any other material that has similar heat/light reflection properties instead, if it is more plentiful than gold.
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– cowlinator
13 hours ago
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The problem with this is that the ants might use any other material that has similar heat/light reflection properties instead, if it is more plentiful than gold.
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– cowlinator
13 hours ago
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They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows
What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.
The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.
They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.
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Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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– Joe Bloggs
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But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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@colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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– chasly from UK
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They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows
What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.
The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.
They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.
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Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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– Joe Bloggs
2 days ago
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But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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@colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows
What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.
The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.
They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.
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They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows
What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.
The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.
They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.
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Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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– Joe Bloggs
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But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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@colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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– Joe Bloggs
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But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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– colmde
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@colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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– Joe Bloggs
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Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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– Joe Bloggs
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But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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– colmde
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But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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@colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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@colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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Electrical conduction
Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.
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Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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– jamesdlin
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Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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– BoomChuck
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Electrical conduction
Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.
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Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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– BoomChuck
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Electrical conduction
Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.
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Electrical conduction
Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.
answered 2 days ago
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Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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– BoomChuck
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Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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The ants are giant packrats!
The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/
There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.
http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm
The mountain ant
In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html
Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.
They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
-- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.
Here is a colony of these big marmots.
https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/
But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!
https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/
That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
objects small enough for the critter to haul off.
So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.
I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.
@chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.
Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.
Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...
Amberrat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.
Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.
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This is one most excellent piece of research!
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– AlexP
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Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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This is a good answer but OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question."
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The ants are giant packrats!
The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/
There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.
http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm
The mountain ant
In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html
Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.
They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
-- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.
Here is a colony of these big marmots.
https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/
But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!
https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/
That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
objects small enough for the critter to haul off.
So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.
I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.
@chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.
Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.
Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...
Amberrat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.
Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.
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This is one most excellent piece of research!
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– AlexP
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Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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– chasly from UK
2 days ago
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I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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– Fattie
2 days ago
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This is a good answer but OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question."
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The ants are giant packrats!
The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/
There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.
http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm
The mountain ant
In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html
Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.
They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
-- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.
Here is a colony of these big marmots.
https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/
But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!
https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/
That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
objects small enough for the critter to haul off.
So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.
I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.
@chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.
Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.
Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...
Amberrat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.
Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.
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The ants are giant packrats!
The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/
There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.
http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm
The mountain ant
In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html
Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.
They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
-- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.
Here is a colony of these big marmots.
https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/
But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!
https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/
That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
objects small enough for the critter to haul off.
So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.
I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.
@chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.
Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.
Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...
Amberrat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.
Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.
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answered 2 days ago
WillkWillk
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This is one most excellent piece of research!
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– AlexP
2 days ago
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Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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– chasly from UK
2 days ago
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I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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– Fattie
2 days ago
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This is a good answer but OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question."
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– Captain Man
20 hours ago
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This is one most excellent piece of research!
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– AlexP
2 days ago
1
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Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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– chasly from UK
2 days ago
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I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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– Fattie
2 days ago
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This is a good answer but OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question."
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– Captain Man
20 hours ago
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This is one most excellent piece of research!
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– AlexP
2 days ago
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This is one most excellent piece of research!
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– AlexP
2 days ago
1
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Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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– chasly from UK
2 days ago
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Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
2 days ago
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I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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– Fattie
2 days ago
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I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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– Fattie
2 days ago
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This is a good answer but OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question."
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– Captain Man
20 hours ago
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This is a good answer but OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question."
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– Captain Man
20 hours ago
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I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.
Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.
Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T
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I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.
Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.
Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T
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I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.
Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.
Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T
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I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.
Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.
Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T
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answered 2 days ago
DemiganDemigan
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They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.
They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.
The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.
Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.
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this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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– Fattie
yesterday
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If all the ants that respond to the pheromone are burned, when a queen eventually develops that ignores the pheromone, that colony will thrive and create new colonies. Maybe you should use a reward instead so this doesn't happen. If the ants brought the gold to the jars in exchange to a reward like food, it would be beneficial for those colonies to provide gold, and they would out-compete any other ant colonies who don't trade for food. If they shed the integument periodically, they could bring the shed parts to trade.
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– John Locke
13 hours ago
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They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.
They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.
The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.
Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.
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this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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– Fattie
yesterday
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If all the ants that respond to the pheromone are burned, when a queen eventually develops that ignores the pheromone, that colony will thrive and create new colonies. Maybe you should use a reward instead so this doesn't happen. If the ants brought the gold to the jars in exchange to a reward like food, it would be beneficial for those colonies to provide gold, and they would out-compete any other ant colonies who don't trade for food. If they shed the integument periodically, they could bring the shed parts to trade.
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– John Locke
13 hours ago
add a comment |
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They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.
They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.
The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.
Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.
$endgroup$
They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.
They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.
The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.
Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.
answered 2 days ago
Sherwood BotsfordSherwood Botsford
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this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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– Fattie
yesterday
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If all the ants that respond to the pheromone are burned, when a queen eventually develops that ignores the pheromone, that colony will thrive and create new colonies. Maybe you should use a reward instead so this doesn't happen. If the ants brought the gold to the jars in exchange to a reward like food, it would be beneficial for those colonies to provide gold, and they would out-compete any other ant colonies who don't trade for food. If they shed the integument periodically, they could bring the shed parts to trade.
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– John Locke
13 hours ago
add a comment |
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this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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– Fattie
yesterday
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If all the ants that respond to the pheromone are burned, when a queen eventually develops that ignores the pheromone, that colony will thrive and create new colonies. Maybe you should use a reward instead so this doesn't happen. If the ants brought the gold to the jars in exchange to a reward like food, it would be beneficial for those colonies to provide gold, and they would out-compete any other ant colonies who don't trade for food. If they shed the integument periodically, they could bring the shed parts to trade.
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– John Locke
13 hours ago
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this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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– Fattie
yesterday
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this is pretty much "damned clever" !
$endgroup$
– Fattie
yesterday
$begingroup$
If all the ants that respond to the pheromone are burned, when a queen eventually develops that ignores the pheromone, that colony will thrive and create new colonies. Maybe you should use a reward instead so this doesn't happen. If the ants brought the gold to the jars in exchange to a reward like food, it would be beneficial for those colonies to provide gold, and they would out-compete any other ant colonies who don't trade for food. If they shed the integument periodically, they could bring the shed parts to trade.
$endgroup$
– John Locke
13 hours ago
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If all the ants that respond to the pheromone are burned, when a queen eventually develops that ignores the pheromone, that colony will thrive and create new colonies. Maybe you should use a reward instead so this doesn't happen. If the ants brought the gold to the jars in exchange to a reward like food, it would be beneficial for those colonies to provide gold, and they would out-compete any other ant colonies who don't trade for food. If they shed the integument periodically, they could bring the shed parts to trade.
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– John Locke
13 hours ago
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Sex
First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.
Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.
So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.
It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.
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Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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– Nyos
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@Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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– WhatRoughBeast
yesterday
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OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question." Based on that I think the OP is specifically interested in what we understand are ants, not large ants, not large mammals, just ants.
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– Captain Man
20 hours ago
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Sex
First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.
Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.
So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.
It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.
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Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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– Nyos
yesterday
1
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@Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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– WhatRoughBeast
yesterday
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OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question." Based on that I think the OP is specifically interested in what we understand are ants, not large ants, not large mammals, just ants.
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– Captain Man
20 hours ago
add a comment |
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Sex
First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.
Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.
So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.
It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.
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Sex
First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.
Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.
So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.
It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.
answered 2 days ago
WhatRoughBeastWhatRoughBeast
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Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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– Nyos
yesterday
1
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@Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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– WhatRoughBeast
yesterday
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OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question." Based on that I think the OP is specifically interested in what we understand are ants, not large ants, not large mammals, just ants.
$endgroup$
– Captain Man
20 hours ago
add a comment |
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Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
$endgroup$
– Nyos
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
@Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
$endgroup$
– WhatRoughBeast
yesterday
$begingroup$
OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question." Based on that I think the OP is specifically interested in what we understand are ants, not large ants, not large mammals, just ants.
$endgroup$
– Captain Man
20 hours ago
$begingroup$
Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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– Nyos
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Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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@Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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@Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question." Based on that I think the OP is specifically interested in what we understand are ants, not large ants, not large mammals, just ants.
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– Captain Man
20 hours ago
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OP specifically said "It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question." Based on that I think the OP is specifically interested in what we understand are ants, not large ants, not large mammals, just ants.
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Gold helps with their Farming
They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:
- Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.
- Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.
Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.
Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.
Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).
And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.
[The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]
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Gold helps with their Farming
They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:
- Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.
- Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.
Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.
Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.
Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).
And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.
[The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]
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Gold helps with their Farming
They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:
- Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.
- Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.
Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.
Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.
Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).
And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.
[The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]
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Gold helps with their Farming
They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:
- Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.
- Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.
Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.
Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.
Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).
And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.
[The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]
answered 2 days ago
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It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.
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Not sure who downvoted this, especially without leaving a reason. I see no reason some sort of symbiotic relationship couldn't have evolved, where a humanoid species who covets gold discovers some ants who coincidentally happen to be expelling gold chunks from their tunnels, and then cultivate and feed and spread these ants (destroying nests that churn up useless crap, effectively selecting for gold-farming). Even after the civilization is long gone, without a specific and highly aggressive predator the species will likely continue on for millennia.
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– Doktor J
16 hours ago
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It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.
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Not sure who downvoted this, especially without leaving a reason. I see no reason some sort of symbiotic relationship couldn't have evolved, where a humanoid species who covets gold discovers some ants who coincidentally happen to be expelling gold chunks from their tunnels, and then cultivate and feed and spread these ants (destroying nests that churn up useless crap, effectively selecting for gold-farming). Even after the civilization is long gone, without a specific and highly aggressive predator the species will likely continue on for millennia.
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– Doktor J
16 hours ago
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It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.
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It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.
answered 2 days ago
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Not sure who downvoted this, especially without leaving a reason. I see no reason some sort of symbiotic relationship couldn't have evolved, where a humanoid species who covets gold discovers some ants who coincidentally happen to be expelling gold chunks from their tunnels, and then cultivate and feed and spread these ants (destroying nests that churn up useless crap, effectively selecting for gold-farming). Even after the civilization is long gone, without a specific and highly aggressive predator the species will likely continue on for millennia.
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– Doktor J
16 hours ago
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Not sure who downvoted this, especially without leaving a reason. I see no reason some sort of symbiotic relationship couldn't have evolved, where a humanoid species who covets gold discovers some ants who coincidentally happen to be expelling gold chunks from their tunnels, and then cultivate and feed and spread these ants (destroying nests that churn up useless crap, effectively selecting for gold-farming). Even after the civilization is long gone, without a specific and highly aggressive predator the species will likely continue on for millennia.
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– Doktor J
16 hours ago
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Not sure who downvoted this, especially without leaving a reason. I see no reason some sort of symbiotic relationship couldn't have evolved, where a humanoid species who covets gold discovers some ants who coincidentally happen to be expelling gold chunks from their tunnels, and then cultivate and feed and spread these ants (destroying nests that churn up useless crap, effectively selecting for gold-farming). Even after the civilization is long gone, without a specific and highly aggressive predator the species will likely continue on for millennia.
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– Doktor J
16 hours ago
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Not sure who downvoted this, especially without leaving a reason. I see no reason some sort of symbiotic relationship couldn't have evolved, where a humanoid species who covets gold discovers some ants who coincidentally happen to be expelling gold chunks from their tunnels, and then cultivate and feed and spread these ants (destroying nests that churn up useless crap, effectively selecting for gold-farming). Even after the civilization is long gone, without a specific and highly aggressive predator the species will likely continue on for millennia.
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Dummy gold war
They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.
Very effective.
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Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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– liljoshu
2 days ago
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@liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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@Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vavilovian_mimicry is when "self-domestication" happens in plants. Also see things like antibiotic resistance, pesticide resistance, and the ever-growing list of rat poisons that no longer work to poison rats.
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– Ben Barden
20 hours ago
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Dummy gold war
They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.
Very effective.
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Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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– liljoshu
2 days ago
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@liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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@Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vavilovian_mimicry is when "self-domestication" happens in plants. Also see things like antibiotic resistance, pesticide resistance, and the ever-growing list of rat poisons that no longer work to poison rats.
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– Ben Barden
20 hours ago
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Dummy gold war
They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.
Very effective.
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Dummy gold war
They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.
Very effective.
answered 2 days ago
LegiseyLegisey
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Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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– liljoshu
2 days ago
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@liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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@Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vavilovian_mimicry is when "self-domestication" happens in plants. Also see things like antibiotic resistance, pesticide resistance, and the ever-growing list of rat poisons that no longer work to poison rats.
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– Ben Barden
20 hours ago
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Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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– liljoshu
2 days ago
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@liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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@Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vavilovian_mimicry is when "self-domestication" happens in plants. Also see things like antibiotic resistance, pesticide resistance, and the ever-growing list of rat poisons that no longer work to poison rats.
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– Ben Barden
20 hours ago
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Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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– liljoshu
2 days ago
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Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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– liljoshu
2 days ago
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@liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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@liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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@Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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@Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
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– Xen2050
2 days ago
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vavilovian_mimicry is when "self-domestication" happens in plants. Also see things like antibiotic resistance, pesticide resistance, and the ever-growing list of rat poisons that no longer work to poison rats.
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– Ben Barden
20 hours ago
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20 hours ago
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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Their large size is the key.
These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.
Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.
So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.
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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Their large size is the key.
These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.
Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.
So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.
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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Their large size is the key.
These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.
Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.
So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.
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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.
Their large size is the key.
These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.
Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.
So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.
answered yesterday
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Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.
Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.
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This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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2 days ago
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Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.
Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.
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This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.
Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.
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Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.
Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.
answered 2 days ago
ArmanXArmanX
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This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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– Kapten-N
2 days ago
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This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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– Kapten-N
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This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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– Kapten-N
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It is possible to train ants. For example, these articles mention doing this incidentally to their main line of research:
Desert ants do not acquire and use a three-dimensional global vector
Ants on stilts
Training them to collect things is admittedly a bit of a further stretch, but it isn’t totally outlandish.
By the way, the legend stretches way back into antiquity, long before the middle ages, to at least AD 79, in Pliny’s Natural History Book XI, section XXXVI:
The horns of an Indian ant fixed up in the Temple of Hercules were one of the sights of Erythrae. These ants carry gold out of caves in the earth in the region of the Northern Indians called the Dardae. The creatures are of the colour of cats and the size of Egyptian wolves. The gold that they dig up in winter time the Indians steal in the hot weather of summer, when the heat makes the ants hide in burrows; but nevertheless they are attracted by their scent and fly out and sting them repeatedly although retreating on very fast camels: such speed and such ferocity do these creatures combine with their love of gold.
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It is possible to train ants. For example, these articles mention doing this incidentally to their main line of research:
Desert ants do not acquire and use a three-dimensional global vector
Ants on stilts
Training them to collect things is admittedly a bit of a further stretch, but it isn’t totally outlandish.
By the way, the legend stretches way back into antiquity, long before the middle ages, to at least AD 79, in Pliny’s Natural History Book XI, section XXXVI:
The horns of an Indian ant fixed up in the Temple of Hercules were one of the sights of Erythrae. These ants carry gold out of caves in the earth in the region of the Northern Indians called the Dardae. The creatures are of the colour of cats and the size of Egyptian wolves. The gold that they dig up in winter time the Indians steal in the hot weather of summer, when the heat makes the ants hide in burrows; but nevertheless they are attracted by their scent and fly out and sting them repeatedly although retreating on very fast camels: such speed and such ferocity do these creatures combine with their love of gold.
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It is possible to train ants. For example, these articles mention doing this incidentally to their main line of research:
Desert ants do not acquire and use a three-dimensional global vector
Ants on stilts
Training them to collect things is admittedly a bit of a further stretch, but it isn’t totally outlandish.
By the way, the legend stretches way back into antiquity, long before the middle ages, to at least AD 79, in Pliny’s Natural History Book XI, section XXXVI:
The horns of an Indian ant fixed up in the Temple of Hercules were one of the sights of Erythrae. These ants carry gold out of caves in the earth in the region of the Northern Indians called the Dardae. The creatures are of the colour of cats and the size of Egyptian wolves. The gold that they dig up in winter time the Indians steal in the hot weather of summer, when the heat makes the ants hide in burrows; but nevertheless they are attracted by their scent and fly out and sting them repeatedly although retreating on very fast camels: such speed and such ferocity do these creatures combine with their love of gold.
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It is possible to train ants. For example, these articles mention doing this incidentally to their main line of research:
Desert ants do not acquire and use a three-dimensional global vector
Ants on stilts
Training them to collect things is admittedly a bit of a further stretch, but it isn’t totally outlandish.
By the way, the legend stretches way back into antiquity, long before the middle ages, to at least AD 79, in Pliny’s Natural History Book XI, section XXXVI:
The horns of an Indian ant fixed up in the Temple of Hercules were one of the sights of Erythrae. These ants carry gold out of caves in the earth in the region of the Northern Indians called the Dardae. The creatures are of the colour of cats and the size of Egyptian wolves. The gold that they dig up in winter time the Indians steal in the hot weather of summer, when the heat makes the ants hide in burrows; but nevertheless they are attracted by their scent and fly out and sting them repeatedly although retreating on very fast camels: such speed and such ferocity do these creatures combine with their love of gold.
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I'll not find it quickly but one of Orson Scott Card's spin-off short stories from the Ender World universe is describing gold-digging insects (bugs, these were not ants). They were though artificially altered (normally they were digging and "digesting" some other mineral that was becoming their shell material).
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– Ister
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A gold-digging ant? Well, I suppose for the same reason anyone else does - to obtain access to money and social standing to which they weren't born through a monogamous (if relatively temporary) relationship, but without the negative consequences and social approbation inherent in direct prostitution. See related terms such as "kept ant", "trophy hive", etc, etc.
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– Bob Jarvis
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I was working for a company (I don't want to name them as there is no publicly available source) - they designed and manufactured ESP-s. In the early product versions the housing was pre-mold (there were small openings on it). They got back some defect devices from the field in South America, the problem was, that some gold bonds (wires) were missing. They could not find the reason, until they found a dead ant inside one of the returned devices. Apparently some small south american ants are able to eat gold wires...
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– G. B.
8 hours ago