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If a word and the same word with a "ver-" prefix mean "essentially" the same thing, are there any general differences between them? If so, what are they?

Examples:

Folgen / Verfolgen

Prügeln / Verprügeln

(Others that I can't remember... haha)

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  I do actually think there are differences in meaning between "folgen" and "verfolgen", or "prügeln" and "verprügeln", i.e. they don't essentially mean the same thing. E.g. "Folgen" = "follow", while "verfolgen" = "prosecute, trail, chase, pursue".
  
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  kommen - verkommen. In einem gewissen Sinne schon :-).
  
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If a word and the same word with a "ver-" prefix mean "essentially" the same thing, are there any general differences between them? If so, what are they?

Examples:

Folgen / Verfolgen

Prügeln / Verprügeln

(Others that I can't remember... haha)

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asked 5 hours ago

AaronAaron

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  dingen - verdingen (jemanden dingen is a bit old-fashioned, though)
  
  – Christian Geiselmann
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  I do actually think there are differences in meaning between "folgen" and "verfolgen", or "prügeln" and "verprügeln", i.e. they don't essentially mean the same thing. E.g. "Folgen" = "follow", while "verfolgen" = "prosecute, trail, chase, pursue".
  
  – Rudy Velthuis
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  kommen - verkommen. In einem gewissen Sinne schon :-).
  
  – user0
  1 hour ago
  

  
  
  
  

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If a word and the same word with a "ver-" prefix mean "essentially" the same thing, are there any general differences between them? If so, what are they?

Examples:

Folgen / Verfolgen

Prügeln / Verprügeln

(Others that I can't remember... haha)

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Online-Duden gives the following list

1. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that something is depleted, eliminated or no longer exists as a result of the action.

   
   
   

   Examples: verforschen, verfrühstücken, verwarten

   
   


2. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that someone spends time on doing something.

   
   
   

   Examples: verschlafen, verschnarchen, verspielen

   
   


3. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that someone is doing something wrongly or incorrectly

   
   
   

   Examples: verbremsen, verinszenieren

   
   


4. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that something is being impaired by an action

   
   
   

   Examples: verwaschen, verwohnen

   
   


5. 
   

   Has no impact at all on the meaning in conjuction with verbs

   
   
   

   Examples: verbleiben, verbringen, vermelden

   
   

Thus, in many cases it is (5), but there are cases where the prefix actually changes the meaning of the base verb.

Fun fact: "ver-" is the most common prefix for German verbs - nearly 50% of the non-separable prefixed verbs start with it.

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  Errrm - the first 3 entries appear to be missing. Apart from that, and to be honest, I do not believe in this Duden list. I mean, why do they come up with verforschen, verinszenieren, verfeaturen? These are not really common verbs, at least not in my microenvironment. Also, I must disagree that verbleiben, verbringen, vermelden are identical to bleiben, bringen, melden. A word of critisism may be worth to be included in your answer (still +1 from me because this list is way out of your responsibility).
  
  – Takkat♦
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  @Takkat The first 3 entries in the Duden do not refer to verbs, so do not apply to this question. With regards to the selected examples - maybe not the most common examples, but work for me.
  
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The function of the affix ver- are manifold in German. This is summarized in a rather concise list in the DWDS entry on its etymology (Pfeifer) (translation by me, examples from Pfeifer):

The prefix ver- is used to express that something/somebody is

• being removed, carried away: verrücken, vertreiben, verzerren


• vanishing, decays: verdunsten, verklingen, verschwinden


• misleading, going wrong: verführen, verwechseln, sich verzählen


• being negated: verbieten, versagen


• resulting in something: verbluten, verpacken, vertilgen


• is being intensified: verschließen, versperren


• made transitive from intransitive: verfolgen, verheiraten, verspotten


• a verbal derivation from an adjective: verdeutlichen, vergöttern, verarmen, verholzen

I believe the list may be incomplete but it should give you an idea. From your two examples verfolgen is resulting from folgen, verprügeln is an intensification from prügeln.

Over the time the original meaning of one or the other verb affixed with ver- may also get lost or changes, so it is always a good idea to look up a given verb in a dictionary.

Another recommended resource where you can look up if the prefix ver- exists for a given verb or noun is the "Wordformation" browser from canoo.net, in the link here shown for prügeln. You can not only see what prefixes or compounds exist but you can also click on any entry for more information including links to dictionaries.

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5

Online-Duden gives the following list

1. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that something is depleted, eliminated or no longer exists as a result of the action.

   
   
   

   Examples: verforschen, verfrühstücken, verwarten

   
   


2. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that someone spends time on doing something.

   
   
   

   Examples: verschlafen, verschnarchen, verspielen

   
   


3. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that someone is doing something wrongly or incorrectly

   
   
   

   Examples: verbremsen, verinszenieren

   
   


4. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that something is being impaired by an action

   
   
   

   Examples: verwaschen, verwohnen

   
   


5. 
   

   Has no impact at all on the meaning in conjuction with verbs

   
   
   

   Examples: verbleiben, verbringen, vermelden

   
   

Thus, in many cases it is (5), but there are cases where the prefix actually changes the meaning of the base verb.

Fun fact: "ver-" is the most common prefix for German verbs - nearly 50% of the non-separable prefixed verbs start with it.

share|improve this answer

edited 3 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

tofrotofro

43.1k144130

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Errrm - the first 3 entries appear to be missing. Apart from that, and to be honest, I do not believe in this Duden list. I mean, why do they come up with verforschen, verinszenieren, verfeaturen? These are not really common verbs, at least not in my microenvironment. Also, I must disagree that verbleiben, verbringen, vermelden are identical to bleiben, bringen, melden. A word of critisism may be worth to be included in your answer (still +1 from me because this list is way out of your responsibility).
  
  – Takkat♦
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Takkat The first 3 entries in the Duden do not refer to verbs, so do not apply to this question. With regards to the selected examples - maybe not the most common examples, but work for me.
  
  – tofro
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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5

Online-Duden gives the following list

1. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that something is depleted, eliminated or no longer exists as a result of the action.

   
   
   

   Examples: verforschen, verfrühstücken, verwarten

   
   


2. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that someone spends time on doing something.

   
   
   

   Examples: verschlafen, verschnarchen, verspielen

   
   


3. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that someone is doing something wrongly or incorrectly

   
   
   

   Examples: verbremsen, verinszenieren

   
   


4. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that something is being impaired by an action

   
   
   

   Examples: verwaschen, verwohnen

   
   


5. 
   

   Has no impact at all on the meaning in conjuction with verbs

   
   
   

   Examples: verbleiben, verbringen, vermelden

   
   

Thus, in many cases it is (5), but there are cases where the prefix actually changes the meaning of the base verb.

Fun fact: "ver-" is the most common prefix for German verbs - nearly 50% of the non-separable prefixed verbs start with it.

share|improve this answer

edited 3 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

tofrotofro

43.1k144130

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Errrm - the first 3 entries appear to be missing. Apart from that, and to be honest, I do not believe in this Duden list. I mean, why do they come up with verforschen, verinszenieren, verfeaturen? These are not really common verbs, at least not in my microenvironment. Also, I must disagree that verbleiben, verbringen, vermelden are identical to bleiben, bringen, melden. A word of critisism may be worth to be included in your answer (still +1 from me because this list is way out of your responsibility).
  
  – Takkat♦
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Takkat The first 3 entries in the Duden do not refer to verbs, so do not apply to this question. With regards to the selected examples - maybe not the most common examples, but work for me.
  
  – tofro
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

Online-Duden gives the following list

1. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that something is depleted, eliminated or no longer exists as a result of the action.

   
   
   

   Examples: verforschen, verfrühstücken, verwarten

   
   


2. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that someone spends time on doing something.

   
   
   

   Examples: verschlafen, verschnarchen, verspielen

   
   


3. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that someone is doing something wrongly or incorrectly

   
   
   

   Examples: verbremsen, verinszenieren

   
   


4. 
   

   Expresses in conjuction with verbs that something is being impaired by an action

   
   
   

   Examples: verwaschen, verwohnen

   
   


5. 
   

   Has no impact at all on the meaning in conjuction with verbs

   
   
   

   Examples: verbleiben, verbringen, vermelden

   
   

Thus, in many cases it is (5), but there are cases where the prefix actually changes the meaning of the base verb.

Fun fact: "ver-" is the most common prefix for German verbs - nearly 50% of the non-separable prefixed verbs start with it.

share|improve this answer

edited 3 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

tofrotofro

43.1k144130

share|improve this answer

edited 3 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

tofrotofro

43.1k144130

answered 4 hours ago

tofrotofro

43.1k144130

answered 4 hours ago

tofrotofro

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5

The function of the affix ver- are manifold in German. This is summarized in a rather concise list in the DWDS entry on its etymology (Pfeifer) (translation by me, examples from Pfeifer):

The prefix ver- is used to express that something/somebody is

• being removed, carried away: verrücken, vertreiben, verzerren


• vanishing, decays: verdunsten, verklingen, verschwinden


• misleading, going wrong: verführen, verwechseln, sich verzählen


• being negated: verbieten, versagen


• resulting in something: verbluten, verpacken, vertilgen


• is being intensified: verschließen, versperren


• made transitive from intransitive: verfolgen, verheiraten, verspotten


• a verbal derivation from an adjective: verdeutlichen, vergöttern, verarmen, verholzen

I believe the list may be incomplete but it should give you an idea. From your two examples verfolgen is resulting from folgen, verprügeln is an intensification from prügeln.

Over the time the original meaning of one or the other verb affixed with ver- may also get lost or changes, so it is always a good idea to look up a given verb in a dictionary.

Another recommended resource where you can look up if the prefix ver- exists for a given verb or noun is the "Wordformation" browser from canoo.net, in the link here shown for prügeln. You can not only see what prefixes or compounds exist but you can also click on any entry for more information including links to dictionaries.

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5

The function of the affix ver- are manifold in German. This is summarized in a rather concise list in the DWDS entry on its etymology (Pfeifer) (translation by me, examples from Pfeifer):

The prefix ver- is used to express that something/somebody is

• being removed, carried away: verrücken, vertreiben, verzerren


• vanishing, decays: verdunsten, verklingen, verschwinden


• misleading, going wrong: verführen, verwechseln, sich verzählen


• being negated: verbieten, versagen


• resulting in something: verbluten, verpacken, vertilgen


• is being intensified: verschließen, versperren


• made transitive from intransitive: verfolgen, verheiraten, verspotten


• a verbal derivation from an adjective: verdeutlichen, vergöttern, verarmen, verholzen

I believe the list may be incomplete but it should give you an idea. From your two examples verfolgen is resulting from folgen, verprügeln is an intensification from prügeln.

Over the time the original meaning of one or the other verb affixed with ver- may also get lost or changes, so it is always a good idea to look up a given verb in a dictionary.

Another recommended resource where you can look up if the prefix ver- exists for a given verb or noun is the "Wordformation" browser from canoo.net, in the link here shown for prügeln. You can not only see what prefixes or compounds exist but you can also click on any entry for more information including links to dictionaries.

share|improve this answer

edited 3 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

Takkat♦Takkat

58k17124358

add a comment | 

The function of the affix ver- are manifold in German. This is summarized in a rather concise list in the DWDS entry on its etymology (Pfeifer) (translation by me, examples from Pfeifer):

The prefix ver- is used to express that something/somebody is

• being removed, carried away: verrücken, vertreiben, verzerren


• vanishing, decays: verdunsten, verklingen, verschwinden


• misleading, going wrong: verführen, verwechseln, sich verzählen


• being negated: verbieten, versagen


• resulting in something: verbluten, verpacken, vertilgen


• is being intensified: verschließen, versperren


• made transitive from intransitive: verfolgen, verheiraten, verspotten


• a verbal derivation from an adjective: verdeutlichen, vergöttern, verarmen, verholzen

I believe the list may be incomplete but it should give you an idea. From your two examples verfolgen is resulting from folgen, verprügeln is an intensification from prügeln.

Over the time the original meaning of one or the other verb affixed with ver- may also get lost or changes, so it is always a good idea to look up a given verb in a dictionary.

Another recommended resource where you can look up if the prefix ver- exists for a given verb or noun is the "Wordformation" browser from canoo.net, in the link here shown for prügeln. You can not only see what prefixes or compounds exist but you can also click on any entry for more information including links to dictionaries.

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edited 3 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

Takkat♦Takkat

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