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How can my powered armor quickly replace its ceramic plates?


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Though ceramic plates are harder than a math exam, and can practically obliterate projectiles, they are one-hit wonders. Self-repairing has been demonstrated for a composite of silicon carbide and aluminum oxide. The plate has to be substituted for the duration of the repairing process, but how am I supposed to quickly switch plates, sometimes mid-combat?



I need a way for the armor to:




  • quickly

  • reliably

  • energy-efficiently


replace the plates, the structural components of the mechanism should:




  • be sturdy

  • lightweight

  • and interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible


The plates are mainly around the torso (front and side) and the legs (front and side), since you only get shot in the back if you face away from combat, or if you let the enemy get behind you.



How should my armor replace its plates?





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    Why not have a heating array or similar behind the plates to weld them together temporarily. Yes it won't last, but it will hold together long enough to take another shot
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    @nzaman That'd turn the user into a human barbeque, yummy. 1000 degrees Celsius and counting.
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    (a) I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you looking for an automated solution during combat? Are extra plates expected to be towed in a cart behind the soldier? (b) VTC OT:POB because there's no way to choose between "a 9-year-old runs behind him, sliding in new plates" and "new plates are grown from a liquid stored in a tank on his back." (c) Frankly, this question is odd. How is an M1 Abrams supposed to replace its armor in combat? (Answer: it doesn't, a repair bay is required for that). Carrying extra armor is a substantial weakness.
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    @JBH The kid idea could actually work, with some modifications, of course.
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Though ceramic plates are harder than a math exam, and can practically obliterate projectiles, they are one-hit wonders. Self-repairing has been demonstrated for a composite of silicon carbide and aluminum oxide. The plate has to be substituted for the duration of the repairing process, but how am I supposed to quickly switch plates, sometimes mid-combat?



I need a way for the armor to:




  • quickly

  • reliably

  • energy-efficiently


replace the plates, the structural components of the mechanism should:




  • be sturdy

  • lightweight

  • and interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible


The plates are mainly around the torso (front and side) and the legs (front and side), since you only get shot in the back if you face away from combat, or if you let the enemy get behind you.



How should my armor replace its plates?





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If first thought of an arm that can reach out for and pick up tiles, then place a new one in the gaps, but Moravec's Paradox blocks the way!










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    Why not have a heating array or similar behind the plates to weld them together temporarily. Yes it won't last, but it will hold together long enough to take another shot
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    – nzaman
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    @nzaman That'd turn the user into a human barbeque, yummy. 1000 degrees Celsius and counting.
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    – Mephistopheles
    1 hour ago








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    (a) I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you looking for an automated solution during combat? Are extra plates expected to be towed in a cart behind the soldier? (b) VTC OT:POB because there's no way to choose between "a 9-year-old runs behind him, sliding in new plates" and "new plates are grown from a liquid stored in a tank on his back." (c) Frankly, this question is odd. How is an M1 Abrams supposed to replace its armor in combat? (Answer: it doesn't, a repair bay is required for that). Carrying extra armor is a substantial weakness.
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    @JBH The kid idea could actually work, with some modifications, of course.
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Though ceramic plates are harder than a math exam, and can practically obliterate projectiles, they are one-hit wonders. Self-repairing has been demonstrated for a composite of silicon carbide and aluminum oxide. The plate has to be substituted for the duration of the repairing process, but how am I supposed to quickly switch plates, sometimes mid-combat?



I need a way for the armor to:




  • quickly

  • reliably

  • energy-efficiently


replace the plates, the structural components of the mechanism should:




  • be sturdy

  • lightweight

  • and interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible


The plates are mainly around the torso (front and side) and the legs (front and side), since you only get shot in the back if you face away from combat, or if you let the enemy get behind you.



How should my armor replace its plates?





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If first thought of an arm that can reach out for and pick up tiles, then place a new one in the gaps, but Moravec's Paradox blocks the way!










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Though ceramic plates are harder than a math exam, and can practically obliterate projectiles, they are one-hit wonders. Self-repairing has been demonstrated for a composite of silicon carbide and aluminum oxide. The plate has to be substituted for the duration of the repairing process, but how am I supposed to quickly switch plates, sometimes mid-combat?



I need a way for the armor to:




  • quickly

  • reliably

  • energy-efficiently


replace the plates, the structural components of the mechanism should:




  • be sturdy

  • lightweight

  • and interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible


The plates are mainly around the torso (front and side) and the legs (front and side), since you only get shot in the back if you face away from combat, or if you let the enemy get behind you.



How should my armor replace its plates?





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If first thought of an arm that can reach out for and pick up tiles, then place a new one in the gaps, but Moravec's Paradox blocks the way!







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    Why not have a heating array or similar behind the plates to weld them together temporarily. Yes it won't last, but it will hold together long enough to take another shot
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    @nzaman That'd turn the user into a human barbeque, yummy. 1000 degrees Celsius and counting.
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    If I had the recipe for what you are asking I would not post it here, but would start an auction among the world armies, and then retire on a secluded island.
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    – L.Dutch
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    (a) I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you looking for an automated solution during combat? Are extra plates expected to be towed in a cart behind the soldier? (b) VTC OT:POB because there's no way to choose between "a 9-year-old runs behind him, sliding in new plates" and "new plates are grown from a liquid stored in a tank on his back." (c) Frankly, this question is odd. How is an M1 Abrams supposed to replace its armor in combat? (Answer: it doesn't, a repair bay is required for that). Carrying extra armor is a substantial weakness.
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    @JBH The kid idea could actually work, with some modifications, of course.
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    Why not have a heating array or similar behind the plates to weld them together temporarily. Yes it won't last, but it will hold together long enough to take another shot
    $endgroup$
    – nzaman
    1 hour ago










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    @nzaman That'd turn the user into a human barbeque, yummy. 1000 degrees Celsius and counting.
    $endgroup$
    – Mephistopheles
    1 hour ago








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    $begingroup$
    If I had the recipe for what you are asking I would not post it here, but would start an auction among the world armies, and then retire on a secluded island.
    $endgroup$
    – L.Dutch
    1 hour ago






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    $begingroup$
    (a) I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you looking for an automated solution during combat? Are extra plates expected to be towed in a cart behind the soldier? (b) VTC OT:POB because there's no way to choose between "a 9-year-old runs behind him, sliding in new plates" and "new plates are grown from a liquid stored in a tank on his back." (c) Frankly, this question is odd. How is an M1 Abrams supposed to replace its armor in combat? (Answer: it doesn't, a repair bay is required for that). Carrying extra armor is a substantial weakness.
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    @JBH The kid idea could actually work, with some modifications, of course.
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Why not have a heating array or similar behind the plates to weld them together temporarily. Yes it won't last, but it will hold together long enough to take another shot
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Why not have a heating array or similar behind the plates to weld them together temporarily. Yes it won't last, but it will hold together long enough to take another shot
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@nzaman That'd turn the user into a human barbeque, yummy. 1000 degrees Celsius and counting.
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– Mephistopheles
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@nzaman That'd turn the user into a human barbeque, yummy. 1000 degrees Celsius and counting.
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If I had the recipe for what you are asking I would not post it here, but would start an auction among the world armies, and then retire on a secluded island.
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If I had the recipe for what you are asking I would not post it here, but would start an auction among the world armies, and then retire on a secluded island.
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(a) I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you looking for an automated solution during combat? Are extra plates expected to be towed in a cart behind the soldier? (b) VTC OT:POB because there's no way to choose between "a 9-year-old runs behind him, sliding in new plates" and "new plates are grown from a liquid stored in a tank on his back." (c) Frankly, this question is odd. How is an M1 Abrams supposed to replace its armor in combat? (Answer: it doesn't, a repair bay is required for that). Carrying extra armor is a substantial weakness.
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(a) I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you looking for an automated solution during combat? Are extra plates expected to be towed in a cart behind the soldier? (b) VTC OT:POB because there's no way to choose between "a 9-year-old runs behind him, sliding in new plates" and "new plates are grown from a liquid stored in a tank on his back." (c) Frankly, this question is odd. How is an M1 Abrams supposed to replace its armor in combat? (Answer: it doesn't, a repair bay is required for that). Carrying extra armor is a substantial weakness.
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@JBH The kid idea could actually work, with some modifications, of course.
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Like sharks replace teeth.

The plates can be put on the armor in an overlapping scale pattern, with one plate visible, and another above it, protected by the overlapping scale. If a scale takes a hit it slides off, and the new scale automatically slides down into place. The broken scale can then be gathered and repaired, then put into the replacement slot.



Depending on the size of the scales you could end up with gaps if someone takes multiple hits in the same area, but if they are small enough then the gaps won't be too big.






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    I dunno dragon skin kinda sorta... flopped.
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    @Mephistopheles Similar concept, different execution. Dragon skin was meant to be flexible, and worn by a human. These plats would be attached to a rigid surface, and carried by a powered armor suit.
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    @Mephistopheles Also, Dragon Skin flopped (and Pinaccle Arms bankrupted) because of the second shot test, the plates and idea worked great....until high temperatures were involved. At 150C, the glue holding the plates caused adjacent plates to fall off prematurely, leaving large gaps in defense.
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Potentially you could have the armour made up of a rows and columns of smaller ceramic plates all around the body (looking almost like an array of pixel on the armour). Each column could be mounted on a rotating belt. As one plate is hit, the row rotates around the body of the wearer, moving the damaged plate to a 'recovery point', where the plate is removed, replaced with a new one and collected for repair.






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    Wouldn't the impact destroy the belt if it has no overlapping to spread the force?
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There are two ways to go with this. The way it SOUNDS like you're asking for is for your powered armor to carry an entire second set of ceramic plates all the time can be swapped in and out while you're fighting. I think this is a Bad Idea and I wouldn't equip MY armored minions this way. You're basically handicapping your troops by adding all that extra weight which basically kills your "interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible" criteria the moment they put the armor on.



The way that I think makes sense is to have support units embedded with your infantry so that as armor gets too damaged to continue those guys fall back just enough to get out of the heat of battle and have their plates swapped out by a quick-change system, and then go back to fighting.



There's all kinds of ways you can do this depending on how rapidly you want to turn around an individual soldier. The quickest way is to have a 'combat medic' who's embedded with your squad who carries a couple extra sets of plates, so your troops can just fall back just out of the thick of the fighting, have the plates replaced using the medic's special toolkit, and be back in the fray in a few minutes.



A more efficient way if you're envisioning brigade-level rather than squad-level combat would be to swap entire squads in and out of combat. This is a VERY old way of doing things that goes all the way back to Greek warfare where pitched battle was a process of constantly cycling your tired guys at the front of the formation back so they can get a drink of water and rest up for a bit while some fresh troops hold the shieldwall against the Persians or the Gauls or whoever.



In this scenario your squad would fight as a unit till they'd taken sufficient damage that they couldn't maintain anymore and then a fresh squad waiting behind them would move up and the damaged squad would fall back to an APC or something out of range of the thickest fighting and have all their damaged plates replaced at once, along with whatever medical attention was required.



In fact, there's no particular reason you couldn't combine both approaches. That's how I'd do it, if it were MY armored minions.






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    Use a physical, arm mounted, ceramic shield. It can have layers of ceramic plates that are designed to be ejected after taking a hit.



    The shield just needs to be thick enough to take the hits needed to get you into attack range. Then you can drop it for greater mobility on your attack.



    When not in active combat, the shield can be stored on the back which will make it less cumbersom to carry and protect you from sneak attacks.






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      To go along with the scales idea, since you don't need back plates, make the plates easily attachable to whatever backing fabric is holding the armor. Then you can swap out a dead plate with a new one when it breaks. If you make it so that when scales break, the vast majority of the scale falls off, it's easier and faster to change. Carry the extra plates on your back to swap out, and/or keep a pouch or box around that has backups.



      This kind of repair would interfere with movement, but it could also make for some really interesting tense scenarios. It would be like healing in a battle royale game, in the middle of a firefight. Also makes it possible to miss a scale repair and make yourself vulnerable.



      Could also make modular armor, with different kinds and sizes of plates that can be hotswapped quickly. If a shield breaks, eject that module and load/attach a new one. This can make it harder to have backups available, but if they use a universal mounting mechanism, you can find all kinds of different modules in the world, depending on the setting.






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        There's a size limit on how small a ceramic tile can be before becoming more and more weaker, though, ala Cobham armor.
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        And how do I load?
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        @Mephistopheles Loading would depend entirely on whatever method of attachment you end up going with. If it's like, a ceramic plate attached to a piece of plastic (or carbon fiber or something), you can have it click into place on the backing fabric/harness. Or velcro (not good for longevity), or some other fastening method. When I was imagining it, I was thinking little zipper pouches that you can just slide a new plate into, but that is pretty unwieldy and clunky in the middle of combat.
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      Graft the plates on a carbon nanotube mesh behind it. Given fine enough it would keep the majority of the ceramic plates in place. A bit like gluing linen against a wooden shield. While the wood splinters the fabric holds it together far longer then it would without it.



      Holding the plates together makes it easy to remove them as a whole. They could use a magnetic locking system. Easily removing them and slipping a new one in place. This of course isn't automated but down with the help of squad members.






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        Like sharks replace teeth.

        The plates can be put on the armor in an overlapping scale pattern, with one plate visible, and another above it, protected by the overlapping scale. If a scale takes a hit it slides off, and the new scale automatically slides down into place. The broken scale can then be gathered and repaired, then put into the replacement slot.



        Depending on the size of the scales you could end up with gaps if someone takes multiple hits in the same area, but if they are small enough then the gaps won't be too big.






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          I dunno dragon skin kinda sorta... flopped.
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          @Mephistopheles Similar concept, different execution. Dragon skin was meant to be flexible, and worn by a human. These plats would be attached to a rigid surface, and carried by a powered armor suit.
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          @Mephistopheles Also, Dragon Skin flopped (and Pinaccle Arms bankrupted) because of the second shot test, the plates and idea worked great....until high temperatures were involved. At 150C, the glue holding the plates caused adjacent plates to fall off prematurely, leaving large gaps in defense.
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        Like sharks replace teeth.

        The plates can be put on the armor in an overlapping scale pattern, with one plate visible, and another above it, protected by the overlapping scale. If a scale takes a hit it slides off, and the new scale automatically slides down into place. The broken scale can then be gathered and repaired, then put into the replacement slot.



        Depending on the size of the scales you could end up with gaps if someone takes multiple hits in the same area, but if they are small enough then the gaps won't be too big.






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          I dunno dragon skin kinda sorta... flopped.
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          @Mephistopheles Similar concept, different execution. Dragon skin was meant to be flexible, and worn by a human. These plats would be attached to a rigid surface, and carried by a powered armor suit.
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          @Mephistopheles Also, Dragon Skin flopped (and Pinaccle Arms bankrupted) because of the second shot test, the plates and idea worked great....until high temperatures were involved. At 150C, the glue holding the plates caused adjacent plates to fall off prematurely, leaving large gaps in defense.
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          @Anoplexian Take note, would-be-answeres, DON'T use glue to secure the plates!
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        Like sharks replace teeth.

        The plates can be put on the armor in an overlapping scale pattern, with one plate visible, and another above it, protected by the overlapping scale. If a scale takes a hit it slides off, and the new scale automatically slides down into place. The broken scale can then be gathered and repaired, then put into the replacement slot.



        Depending on the size of the scales you could end up with gaps if someone takes multiple hits in the same area, but if they are small enough then the gaps won't be too big.






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        Like sharks replace teeth.

        The plates can be put on the armor in an overlapping scale pattern, with one plate visible, and another above it, protected by the overlapping scale. If a scale takes a hit it slides off, and the new scale automatically slides down into place. The broken scale can then be gathered and repaired, then put into the replacement slot.



        Depending on the size of the scales you could end up with gaps if someone takes multiple hits in the same area, but if they are small enough then the gaps won't be too big.







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        answered 1 hour ago









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          I dunno dragon skin kinda sorta... flopped.
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          @Mephistopheles Similar concept, different execution. Dragon skin was meant to be flexible, and worn by a human. These plats would be attached to a rigid surface, and carried by a powered armor suit.
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          53 mins ago










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          @Mephistopheles Also, Dragon Skin flopped (and Pinaccle Arms bankrupted) because of the second shot test, the plates and idea worked great....until high temperatures were involved. At 150C, the glue holding the plates caused adjacent plates to fall off prematurely, leaving large gaps in defense.
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          @Anoplexian Take note, would-be-answeres, DON'T use glue to secure the plates!
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          I dunno dragon skin kinda sorta... flopped.
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          1 hour ago










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          @Mephistopheles Similar concept, different execution. Dragon skin was meant to be flexible, and worn by a human. These plats would be attached to a rigid surface, and carried by a powered armor suit.
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          53 mins ago










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          @Mephistopheles Also, Dragon Skin flopped (and Pinaccle Arms bankrupted) because of the second shot test, the plates and idea worked great....until high temperatures were involved. At 150C, the glue holding the plates caused adjacent plates to fall off prematurely, leaving large gaps in defense.
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          @Anoplexian Take note, would-be-answeres, DON'T use glue to secure the plates!
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        I dunno dragon skin kinda sorta... flopped.
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        – Mephistopheles
        1 hour ago




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        I dunno dragon skin kinda sorta... flopped.
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        – Mephistopheles
        1 hour ago












        $begingroup$
        @Mephistopheles Similar concept, different execution. Dragon skin was meant to be flexible, and worn by a human. These plats would be attached to a rigid surface, and carried by a powered armor suit.
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        – AndyD273
        53 mins ago




        $begingroup$
        @Mephistopheles Similar concept, different execution. Dragon skin was meant to be flexible, and worn by a human. These plats would be attached to a rigid surface, and carried by a powered armor suit.
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        53 mins ago












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        @Mephistopheles Also, Dragon Skin flopped (and Pinaccle Arms bankrupted) because of the second shot test, the plates and idea worked great....until high temperatures were involved. At 150C, the glue holding the plates caused adjacent plates to fall off prematurely, leaving large gaps in defense.
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        15 mins ago




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        @Mephistopheles Also, Dragon Skin flopped (and Pinaccle Arms bankrupted) because of the second shot test, the plates and idea worked great....until high temperatures were involved. At 150C, the glue holding the plates caused adjacent plates to fall off prematurely, leaving large gaps in defense.
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        @Anoplexian Take note, would-be-answeres, DON'T use glue to secure the plates!
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        – Mephistopheles
        10 mins ago




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        @Anoplexian Take note, would-be-answeres, DON'T use glue to secure the plates!
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        Potentially you could have the armour made up of a rows and columns of smaller ceramic plates all around the body (looking almost like an array of pixel on the armour). Each column could be mounted on a rotating belt. As one plate is hit, the row rotates around the body of the wearer, moving the damaged plate to a 'recovery point', where the plate is removed, replaced with a new one and collected for repair.






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          Wouldn't the impact destroy the belt if it has no overlapping to spread the force?
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        Potentially you could have the armour made up of a rows and columns of smaller ceramic plates all around the body (looking almost like an array of pixel on the armour). Each column could be mounted on a rotating belt. As one plate is hit, the row rotates around the body of the wearer, moving the damaged plate to a 'recovery point', where the plate is removed, replaced with a new one and collected for repair.






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          Wouldn't the impact destroy the belt if it has no overlapping to spread the force?
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        Potentially you could have the armour made up of a rows and columns of smaller ceramic plates all around the body (looking almost like an array of pixel on the armour). Each column could be mounted on a rotating belt. As one plate is hit, the row rotates around the body of the wearer, moving the damaged plate to a 'recovery point', where the plate is removed, replaced with a new one and collected for repair.






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        Potentially you could have the armour made up of a rows and columns of smaller ceramic plates all around the body (looking almost like an array of pixel on the armour). Each column could be mounted on a rotating belt. As one plate is hit, the row rotates around the body of the wearer, moving the damaged plate to a 'recovery point', where the plate is removed, replaced with a new one and collected for repair.







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          Wouldn't the impact destroy the belt if it has no overlapping to spread the force?
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          Wouldn't the impact destroy the belt if it has no overlapping to spread the force?
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        Wouldn't the impact destroy the belt if it has no overlapping to spread the force?
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        Wouldn't the impact destroy the belt if it has no overlapping to spread the force?
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        There are two ways to go with this. The way it SOUNDS like you're asking for is for your powered armor to carry an entire second set of ceramic plates all the time can be swapped in and out while you're fighting. I think this is a Bad Idea and I wouldn't equip MY armored minions this way. You're basically handicapping your troops by adding all that extra weight which basically kills your "interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible" criteria the moment they put the armor on.



        The way that I think makes sense is to have support units embedded with your infantry so that as armor gets too damaged to continue those guys fall back just enough to get out of the heat of battle and have their plates swapped out by a quick-change system, and then go back to fighting.



        There's all kinds of ways you can do this depending on how rapidly you want to turn around an individual soldier. The quickest way is to have a 'combat medic' who's embedded with your squad who carries a couple extra sets of plates, so your troops can just fall back just out of the thick of the fighting, have the plates replaced using the medic's special toolkit, and be back in the fray in a few minutes.



        A more efficient way if you're envisioning brigade-level rather than squad-level combat would be to swap entire squads in and out of combat. This is a VERY old way of doing things that goes all the way back to Greek warfare where pitched battle was a process of constantly cycling your tired guys at the front of the formation back so they can get a drink of water and rest up for a bit while some fresh troops hold the shieldwall against the Persians or the Gauls or whoever.



        In this scenario your squad would fight as a unit till they'd taken sufficient damage that they couldn't maintain anymore and then a fresh squad waiting behind them would move up and the damaged squad would fall back to an APC or something out of range of the thickest fighting and have all their damaged plates replaced at once, along with whatever medical attention was required.



        In fact, there's no particular reason you couldn't combine both approaches. That's how I'd do it, if it were MY armored minions.






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          There are two ways to go with this. The way it SOUNDS like you're asking for is for your powered armor to carry an entire second set of ceramic plates all the time can be swapped in and out while you're fighting. I think this is a Bad Idea and I wouldn't equip MY armored minions this way. You're basically handicapping your troops by adding all that extra weight which basically kills your "interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible" criteria the moment they put the armor on.



          The way that I think makes sense is to have support units embedded with your infantry so that as armor gets too damaged to continue those guys fall back just enough to get out of the heat of battle and have their plates swapped out by a quick-change system, and then go back to fighting.



          There's all kinds of ways you can do this depending on how rapidly you want to turn around an individual soldier. The quickest way is to have a 'combat medic' who's embedded with your squad who carries a couple extra sets of plates, so your troops can just fall back just out of the thick of the fighting, have the plates replaced using the medic's special toolkit, and be back in the fray in a few minutes.



          A more efficient way if you're envisioning brigade-level rather than squad-level combat would be to swap entire squads in and out of combat. This is a VERY old way of doing things that goes all the way back to Greek warfare where pitched battle was a process of constantly cycling your tired guys at the front of the formation back so they can get a drink of water and rest up for a bit while some fresh troops hold the shieldwall against the Persians or the Gauls or whoever.



          In this scenario your squad would fight as a unit till they'd taken sufficient damage that they couldn't maintain anymore and then a fresh squad waiting behind them would move up and the damaged squad would fall back to an APC or something out of range of the thickest fighting and have all their damaged plates replaced at once, along with whatever medical attention was required.



          In fact, there's no particular reason you couldn't combine both approaches. That's how I'd do it, if it were MY armored minions.






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            There are two ways to go with this. The way it SOUNDS like you're asking for is for your powered armor to carry an entire second set of ceramic plates all the time can be swapped in and out while you're fighting. I think this is a Bad Idea and I wouldn't equip MY armored minions this way. You're basically handicapping your troops by adding all that extra weight which basically kills your "interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible" criteria the moment they put the armor on.



            The way that I think makes sense is to have support units embedded with your infantry so that as armor gets too damaged to continue those guys fall back just enough to get out of the heat of battle and have their plates swapped out by a quick-change system, and then go back to fighting.



            There's all kinds of ways you can do this depending on how rapidly you want to turn around an individual soldier. The quickest way is to have a 'combat medic' who's embedded with your squad who carries a couple extra sets of plates, so your troops can just fall back just out of the thick of the fighting, have the plates replaced using the medic's special toolkit, and be back in the fray in a few minutes.



            A more efficient way if you're envisioning brigade-level rather than squad-level combat would be to swap entire squads in and out of combat. This is a VERY old way of doing things that goes all the way back to Greek warfare where pitched battle was a process of constantly cycling your tired guys at the front of the formation back so they can get a drink of water and rest up for a bit while some fresh troops hold the shieldwall against the Persians or the Gauls or whoever.



            In this scenario your squad would fight as a unit till they'd taken sufficient damage that they couldn't maintain anymore and then a fresh squad waiting behind them would move up and the damaged squad would fall back to an APC or something out of range of the thickest fighting and have all their damaged plates replaced at once, along with whatever medical attention was required.



            In fact, there's no particular reason you couldn't combine both approaches. That's how I'd do it, if it were MY armored minions.






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            There are two ways to go with this. The way it SOUNDS like you're asking for is for your powered armor to carry an entire second set of ceramic plates all the time can be swapped in and out while you're fighting. I think this is a Bad Idea and I wouldn't equip MY armored minions this way. You're basically handicapping your troops by adding all that extra weight which basically kills your "interfere with other activities (shooting and running) as little as possible" criteria the moment they put the armor on.



            The way that I think makes sense is to have support units embedded with your infantry so that as armor gets too damaged to continue those guys fall back just enough to get out of the heat of battle and have their plates swapped out by a quick-change system, and then go back to fighting.



            There's all kinds of ways you can do this depending on how rapidly you want to turn around an individual soldier. The quickest way is to have a 'combat medic' who's embedded with your squad who carries a couple extra sets of plates, so your troops can just fall back just out of the thick of the fighting, have the plates replaced using the medic's special toolkit, and be back in the fray in a few minutes.



            A more efficient way if you're envisioning brigade-level rather than squad-level combat would be to swap entire squads in and out of combat. This is a VERY old way of doing things that goes all the way back to Greek warfare where pitched battle was a process of constantly cycling your tired guys at the front of the formation back so they can get a drink of water and rest up for a bit while some fresh troops hold the shieldwall against the Persians or the Gauls or whoever.



            In this scenario your squad would fight as a unit till they'd taken sufficient damage that they couldn't maintain anymore and then a fresh squad waiting behind them would move up and the damaged squad would fall back to an APC or something out of range of the thickest fighting and have all their damaged plates replaced at once, along with whatever medical attention was required.



            In fact, there's no particular reason you couldn't combine both approaches. That's how I'd do it, if it were MY armored minions.







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                Use a physical, arm mounted, ceramic shield. It can have layers of ceramic plates that are designed to be ejected after taking a hit.



                The shield just needs to be thick enough to take the hits needed to get you into attack range. Then you can drop it for greater mobility on your attack.



                When not in active combat, the shield can be stored on the back which will make it less cumbersom to carry and protect you from sneak attacks.






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                  Use a physical, arm mounted, ceramic shield. It can have layers of ceramic plates that are designed to be ejected after taking a hit.



                  The shield just needs to be thick enough to take the hits needed to get you into attack range. Then you can drop it for greater mobility on your attack.



                  When not in active combat, the shield can be stored on the back which will make it less cumbersom to carry and protect you from sneak attacks.






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                    Use a physical, arm mounted, ceramic shield. It can have layers of ceramic plates that are designed to be ejected after taking a hit.



                    The shield just needs to be thick enough to take the hits needed to get you into attack range. Then you can drop it for greater mobility on your attack.



                    When not in active combat, the shield can be stored on the back which will make it less cumbersom to carry and protect you from sneak attacks.






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                    Use a physical, arm mounted, ceramic shield. It can have layers of ceramic plates that are designed to be ejected after taking a hit.



                    The shield just needs to be thick enough to take the hits needed to get you into attack range. Then you can drop it for greater mobility on your attack.



                    When not in active combat, the shield can be stored on the back which will make it less cumbersom to carry and protect you from sneak attacks.







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                        To go along with the scales idea, since you don't need back plates, make the plates easily attachable to whatever backing fabric is holding the armor. Then you can swap out a dead plate with a new one when it breaks. If you make it so that when scales break, the vast majority of the scale falls off, it's easier and faster to change. Carry the extra plates on your back to swap out, and/or keep a pouch or box around that has backups.



                        This kind of repair would interfere with movement, but it could also make for some really interesting tense scenarios. It would be like healing in a battle royale game, in the middle of a firefight. Also makes it possible to miss a scale repair and make yourself vulnerable.



                        Could also make modular armor, with different kinds and sizes of plates that can be hotswapped quickly. If a shield breaks, eject that module and load/attach a new one. This can make it harder to have backups available, but if they use a universal mounting mechanism, you can find all kinds of different modules in the world, depending on the setting.






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                          There's a size limit on how small a ceramic tile can be before becoming more and more weaker, though, ala Cobham armor.
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                          – Mephistopheles
                          55 mins ago










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                          And how do I load?
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                          @Mephistopheles Loading would depend entirely on whatever method of attachment you end up going with. If it's like, a ceramic plate attached to a piece of plastic (or carbon fiber or something), you can have it click into place on the backing fabric/harness. Or velcro (not good for longevity), or some other fastening method. When I was imagining it, I was thinking little zipper pouches that you can just slide a new plate into, but that is pretty unwieldy and clunky in the middle of combat.
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                        $begingroup$

                        To go along with the scales idea, since you don't need back plates, make the plates easily attachable to whatever backing fabric is holding the armor. Then you can swap out a dead plate with a new one when it breaks. If you make it so that when scales break, the vast majority of the scale falls off, it's easier and faster to change. Carry the extra plates on your back to swap out, and/or keep a pouch or box around that has backups.



                        This kind of repair would interfere with movement, but it could also make for some really interesting tense scenarios. It would be like healing in a battle royale game, in the middle of a firefight. Also makes it possible to miss a scale repair and make yourself vulnerable.



                        Could also make modular armor, with different kinds and sizes of plates that can be hotswapped quickly. If a shield breaks, eject that module and load/attach a new one. This can make it harder to have backups available, but if they use a universal mounting mechanism, you can find all kinds of different modules in the world, depending on the setting.






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                        • $begingroup$
                          There's a size limit on how small a ceramic tile can be before becoming more and more weaker, though, ala Cobham armor.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Mephistopheles
                          55 mins ago










                        • $begingroup$
                          And how do I load?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Mephistopheles
                          50 mins ago










                        • $begingroup$
                          @Mephistopheles Loading would depend entirely on whatever method of attachment you end up going with. If it's like, a ceramic plate attached to a piece of plastic (or carbon fiber or something), you can have it click into place on the backing fabric/harness. Or velcro (not good for longevity), or some other fastening method. When I was imagining it, I was thinking little zipper pouches that you can just slide a new plate into, but that is pretty unwieldy and clunky in the middle of combat.
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                        To go along with the scales idea, since you don't need back plates, make the plates easily attachable to whatever backing fabric is holding the armor. Then you can swap out a dead plate with a new one when it breaks. If you make it so that when scales break, the vast majority of the scale falls off, it's easier and faster to change. Carry the extra plates on your back to swap out, and/or keep a pouch or box around that has backups.



                        This kind of repair would interfere with movement, but it could also make for some really interesting tense scenarios. It would be like healing in a battle royale game, in the middle of a firefight. Also makes it possible to miss a scale repair and make yourself vulnerable.



                        Could also make modular armor, with different kinds and sizes of plates that can be hotswapped quickly. If a shield breaks, eject that module and load/attach a new one. This can make it harder to have backups available, but if they use a universal mounting mechanism, you can find all kinds of different modules in the world, depending on the setting.






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                        To go along with the scales idea, since you don't need back plates, make the plates easily attachable to whatever backing fabric is holding the armor. Then you can swap out a dead plate with a new one when it breaks. If you make it so that when scales break, the vast majority of the scale falls off, it's easier and faster to change. Carry the extra plates on your back to swap out, and/or keep a pouch or box around that has backups.



                        This kind of repair would interfere with movement, but it could also make for some really interesting tense scenarios. It would be like healing in a battle royale game, in the middle of a firefight. Also makes it possible to miss a scale repair and make yourself vulnerable.



                        Could also make modular armor, with different kinds and sizes of plates that can be hotswapped quickly. If a shield breaks, eject that module and load/attach a new one. This can make it harder to have backups available, but if they use a universal mounting mechanism, you can find all kinds of different modules in the world, depending on the setting.







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                        • $begingroup$
                          There's a size limit on how small a ceramic tile can be before becoming more and more weaker, though, ala Cobham armor.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Mephistopheles
                          55 mins ago










                        • $begingroup$
                          And how do I load?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Mephistopheles
                          50 mins ago










                        • $begingroup$
                          @Mephistopheles Loading would depend entirely on whatever method of attachment you end up going with. If it's like, a ceramic plate attached to a piece of plastic (or carbon fiber or something), you can have it click into place on the backing fabric/harness. Or velcro (not good for longevity), or some other fastening method. When I was imagining it, I was thinking little zipper pouches that you can just slide a new plate into, but that is pretty unwieldy and clunky in the middle of combat.
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                          27 mins ago




















                        • $begingroup$
                          There's a size limit on how small a ceramic tile can be before becoming more and more weaker, though, ala Cobham armor.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Mephistopheles
                          55 mins ago










                        • $begingroup$
                          And how do I load?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Mephistopheles
                          50 mins ago










                        • $begingroup$
                          @Mephistopheles Loading would depend entirely on whatever method of attachment you end up going with. If it's like, a ceramic plate attached to a piece of plastic (or carbon fiber or something), you can have it click into place on the backing fabric/harness. Or velcro (not good for longevity), or some other fastening method. When I was imagining it, I was thinking little zipper pouches that you can just slide a new plate into, but that is pretty unwieldy and clunky in the middle of combat.
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                          27 mins ago


















                        $begingroup$
                        There's a size limit on how small a ceramic tile can be before becoming more and more weaker, though, ala Cobham armor.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Mephistopheles
                        55 mins ago




                        $begingroup$
                        There's a size limit on how small a ceramic tile can be before becoming more and more weaker, though, ala Cobham armor.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Mephistopheles
                        55 mins ago












                        $begingroup$
                        And how do I load?
                        $endgroup$
                        – Mephistopheles
                        50 mins ago




                        $begingroup$
                        And how do I load?
                        $endgroup$
                        – Mephistopheles
                        50 mins ago












                        $begingroup$
                        @Mephistopheles Loading would depend entirely on whatever method of attachment you end up going with. If it's like, a ceramic plate attached to a piece of plastic (or carbon fiber or something), you can have it click into place on the backing fabric/harness. Or velcro (not good for longevity), or some other fastening method. When I was imagining it, I was thinking little zipper pouches that you can just slide a new plate into, but that is pretty unwieldy and clunky in the middle of combat.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Jorgomli
                        27 mins ago






                        $begingroup$
                        @Mephistopheles Loading would depend entirely on whatever method of attachment you end up going with. If it's like, a ceramic plate attached to a piece of plastic (or carbon fiber or something), you can have it click into place on the backing fabric/harness. Or velcro (not good for longevity), or some other fastening method. When I was imagining it, I was thinking little zipper pouches that you can just slide a new plate into, but that is pretty unwieldy and clunky in the middle of combat.
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                        Graft the plates on a carbon nanotube mesh behind it. Given fine enough it would keep the majority of the ceramic plates in place. A bit like gluing linen against a wooden shield. While the wood splinters the fabric holds it together far longer then it would without it.



                        Holding the plates together makes it easy to remove them as a whole. They could use a magnetic locking system. Easily removing them and slipping a new one in place. This of course isn't automated but down with the help of squad members.






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                          Graft the plates on a carbon nanotube mesh behind it. Given fine enough it would keep the majority of the ceramic plates in place. A bit like gluing linen against a wooden shield. While the wood splinters the fabric holds it together far longer then it would without it.



                          Holding the plates together makes it easy to remove them as a whole. They could use a magnetic locking system. Easily removing them and slipping a new one in place. This of course isn't automated but down with the help of squad members.






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                            Graft the plates on a carbon nanotube mesh behind it. Given fine enough it would keep the majority of the ceramic plates in place. A bit like gluing linen against a wooden shield. While the wood splinters the fabric holds it together far longer then it would without it.



                            Holding the plates together makes it easy to remove them as a whole. They could use a magnetic locking system. Easily removing them and slipping a new one in place. This of course isn't automated but down with the help of squad members.






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                            Graft the plates on a carbon nanotube mesh behind it. Given fine enough it would keep the majority of the ceramic plates in place. A bit like gluing linen against a wooden shield. While the wood splinters the fabric holds it together far longer then it would without it.



                            Holding the plates together makes it easy to remove them as a whole. They could use a magnetic locking system. Easily removing them and slipping a new one in place. This of course isn't automated but down with the help of squad members.







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