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Why Prushim were the ones who “separated”?
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As I understand the tradition of the Prushim - Pharisees (basically us all), our lineage held steady since Moses to the Tannayim and further and all the prominent figures in Judaism were of our sect (Moses, Jehoshuah, King David, the Maccabim etc.)
The name, however, clearly suggests that Prushim, the minority, had separated from the mainstream, the majority. The WIKI doesn't explain why this name was chosen, by whom and who were the majority.
I would like to consolidate our approach to the tradition with the name Prushim.
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As I understand the tradition of the Prushim - Pharisees (basically us all), our lineage held steady since Moses to the Tannayim and further and all the prominent figures in Judaism were of our sect (Moses, Jehoshuah, King David, the Maccabim etc.)
The name, however, clearly suggests that Prushim, the minority, had separated from the mainstream, the majority. The WIKI doesn't explain why this name was chosen, by whom and who were the majority.
I would like to consolidate our approach to the tradition with the name Prushim.
history parshanut-theory
asked 2 hours ago
Al BerkoAl Berko
5,747527
The theory I’ve heard is that they separated from the amei haaretz to avoid becoming tamei
– Joel K
2 hours ago
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As I understand the tradition of the Prushim - Pharisees (basically us all), our lineage held steady since Moses to the Tannayim and further and all the prominent figures in Judaism were of our sect (Moses, Jehoshuah, King David, the Maccabim etc.)
The name, however, clearly suggests that Prushim, the minority, had separated from the mainstream, the majority. The WIKI doesn't explain why this name was chosen, by whom and who were the majority.
I would like to consolidate our approach to the tradition with the name Prushim.
history parshanut-theory
asked 2 hours ago
Al BerkoAl Berko
5,747527
As I understand the tradition of the Prushim - Pharisees (basically us all), our lineage held steady since Moses to the Tannayim and further and all the prominent figures in Judaism were of our sect (Moses, Jehoshuah, King David, the Maccabim etc.)
The name, however, clearly suggests that Prushim, the minority, had separated from the mainstream, the majority. The WIKI doesn't explain why this name was chosen, by whom and who were the majority.
I would like to consolidate our approach to the tradition with the name Prushim.
history parshanut-theory
history parshanut-theory
asked 2 hours ago
Al BerkoAl Berko
5,747527
asked 2 hours ago
Al BerkoAl Berko
5,747527
asked 2 hours ago
Al BerkoAl Berko
5,747527
asked 2 hours ago
Al BerkoAl Berko
5,747527
asked 2 hours ago
Al BerkoAl Berko
5,747527
5,747527
The theory I’ve heard is that they separated from the amei haaretz to avoid becoming tamei
– Joel K
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The theory I’ve heard is that they separated from the amei haaretz to avoid becoming tamei
– Joel K
2 hours ago
The theory I’ve heard is that they separated from the amei haaretz to avoid becoming tamei
– Joel K
2 hours ago
The theory I’ve heard is that they separated from the amei haaretz to avoid becoming tamei
– Joel K
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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Bartenura to Mishnah Yadayim 4:6 explains the name as follows:
פרושים. לחכמי ישראל היו קורין פרושים, לפי שאוכלין חוליהן בטהרה ופרושים ממגע עם הארץ, דתנן בגדי עם הארץ מדרס לפרושים:
To the Sages of Israel [the Tzedukim] would call Perushim [lit. “those who separate”], for they would eat their non-sacred food in purity and separate from touching Amei Ha’aretz. As we taught in the Mishnah (Chagigah 2:7): “The clothing of Amei Ha’aretz [contaminates by] treading for Perushim.”
answered 1 hour ago
DonielFDonielF
14k12379
Interesting, how come it (the name/party/movement/sect) happened only in the times of the destruction of the second Temple? What was before that?
– Al Berko
1 hour ago
@AlBerko Mu theory, based on the wording of the Bartenura, based on the wording of the Mishnah in Yadayim, is that the Tzedukim gave the name to them, perhaps disparagingly, and they proudly wore it as a badge of honor instead (as indicated by Mishnayos such as the one in Chagigah which use the name independently of the Tzedukim).
– DonielF
1 hour ago
Good, but why did it start all of sudden? what was the Halacha before, what the majority followed for the 420 years of the Second Temple, for example?
– Al Berko
59 mins ago
@AlBerko (Tzedukim came around fairly early during Bayis Sheini, btw.) I don’t think the chumra was new; apparently Avraham Avinu held of it (BM 87b; yes, I know that BM was written much later). I think the only thing that changed was giving that group of people a name.
– DonielF
57 mins ago
Look at his previous explanation: "אומרים צדוקין. המכחישין תורה שבעל פה נקראים צדוקים, על שם צדוק וביתוס תלמידיו של אנטיגנוס איש סוכו שהתחילו בקלקלה זו תחילה." it clearly point to the fact that the Zdukim were ones to stray (according to us).
– Al Berko
54 mins ago
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Bartenura to Mishnah Yadayim 4:6 explains the name as follows:
פרושים. לחכמי ישראל היו קורין פרושים, לפי שאוכלין חוליהן בטהרה ופרושים ממגע עם הארץ, דתנן בגדי עם הארץ מדרס לפרושים:
To the Sages of Israel [the Tzedukim] would call Perushim [lit. “those who separate”], for they would eat their non-sacred food in purity and separate from touching Amei Ha’aretz. As we taught in the Mishnah (Chagigah 2:7): “The clothing of Amei Ha’aretz [contaminates by] treading for Perushim.”
answered 1 hour ago
DonielFDonielF
14k12379
Interesting, how come it (the name/party/movement/sect) happened only in the times of the destruction of the second Temple? What was before that?
– Al Berko
1 hour ago
@AlBerko Mu theory, based on the wording of the Bartenura, based on the wording of the Mishnah in Yadayim, is that the Tzedukim gave the name to them, perhaps disparagingly, and they proudly wore it as a badge of honor instead (as indicated by Mishnayos such as the one in Chagigah which use the name independently of the Tzedukim).
– DonielF
1 hour ago
Good, but why did it start all of sudden? what was the Halacha before, what the majority followed for the 420 years of the Second Temple, for example?
– Al Berko
59 mins ago
@AlBerko (Tzedukim came around fairly early during Bayis Sheini, btw.) I don’t think the chumra was new; apparently Avraham Avinu held of it (BM 87b; yes, I know that BM was written much later). I think the only thing that changed was giving that group of people a name.
– DonielF
57 mins ago
Look at his previous explanation: "אומרים צדוקין. המכחישין תורה שבעל פה נקראים צדוקים, על שם צדוק וביתוס תלמידיו של אנטיגנוס איש סוכו שהתחילו בקלקלה זו תחילה." it clearly point to the fact that the Zdukim were ones to stray (according to us).
– Al Berko
54 mins ago
|
show 5 more comments
Bartenura to Mishnah Yadayim 4:6 explains the name as follows:
פרושים. לחכמי ישראל היו קורין פרושים, לפי שאוכלין חוליהן בטהרה ופרושים ממגע עם הארץ, דתנן בגדי עם הארץ מדרס לפרושים:
To the Sages of Israel [the Tzedukim] would call Perushim [lit. “those who separate”], for they would eat their non-sacred food in purity and separate from touching Amei Ha’aretz. As we taught in the Mishnah (Chagigah 2:7): “The clothing of Amei Ha’aretz [contaminates by] treading for Perushim.”
answered 1 hour ago
DonielFDonielF
14k12379
Interesting, how come it (the name/party/movement/sect) happened only in the times of the destruction of the second Temple? What was before that?
– Al Berko
1 hour ago
@AlBerko Mu theory, based on the wording of the Bartenura, based on the wording of the Mishnah in Yadayim, is that the Tzedukim gave the name to them, perhaps disparagingly, and they proudly wore it as a badge of honor instead (as indicated by Mishnayos such as the one in Chagigah which use the name independently of the Tzedukim).
– DonielF
1 hour ago
Good, but why did it start all of sudden? what was the Halacha before, what the majority followed for the 420 years of the Second Temple, for example?
– Al Berko
59 mins ago
@AlBerko (Tzedukim came around fairly early during Bayis Sheini, btw.) I don’t think the chumra was new; apparently Avraham Avinu held of it (BM 87b; yes, I know that BM was written much later). I think the only thing that changed was giving that group of people a name.
– DonielF
57 mins ago
Look at his previous explanation: "אומרים צדוקין. המכחישין תורה שבעל פה נקראים צדוקים, על שם צדוק וביתוס תלמידיו של אנטיגנוס איש סוכו שהתחילו בקלקלה זו תחילה." it clearly point to the fact that the Zdukim were ones to stray (according to us).
– Al Berko
54 mins ago
|
show 5 more comments
Bartenura to Mishnah Yadayim 4:6 explains the name as follows:
פרושים. לחכמי ישראל היו קורין פרושים, לפי שאוכלין חוליהן בטהרה ופרושים ממגע עם הארץ, דתנן בגדי עם הארץ מדרס לפרושים:
To the Sages of Israel [the Tzedukim] would call Perushim [lit. “those who separate”], for they would eat their non-sacred food in purity and separate from touching Amei Ha’aretz. As we taught in the Mishnah (Chagigah 2:7): “The clothing of Amei Ha’aretz [contaminates by] treading for Perushim.”
answered 1 hour ago
DonielFDonielF
14k12379
Bartenura to Mishnah Yadayim 4:6 explains the name as follows:
פרושים. לחכמי ישראל היו קורין פרושים, לפי שאוכלין חוליהן בטהרה ופרושים ממגע עם הארץ, דתנן בגדי עם הארץ מדרס לפרושים:
To the Sages of Israel [the Tzedukim] would call Perushim [lit. “those who separate”], for they would eat their non-sacred food in purity and separate from touching Amei Ha’aretz. As we taught in the Mishnah (Chagigah 2:7): “The clothing of Amei Ha’aretz [contaminates by] treading for Perushim.”
answered 1 hour ago
DonielFDonielF
14k12379
answered 1 hour ago
DonielFDonielF
14k12379
answered 1 hour ago
DonielFDonielF
14k12379
answered 1 hour ago
DonielFDonielF
14k12379
14k12379
Interesting, how come it (the name/party/movement/sect) happened only in the times of the destruction of the second Temple? What was before that?
– Al Berko
1 hour ago
@AlBerko Mu theory, based on the wording of the Bartenura, based on the wording of the Mishnah in Yadayim, is that the Tzedukim gave the name to them, perhaps disparagingly, and they proudly wore it as a badge of honor instead (as indicated by Mishnayos such as the one in Chagigah which use the name independently of the Tzedukim).
– DonielF
1 hour ago
Good, but why did it start all of sudden? what was the Halacha before, what the majority followed for the 420 years of the Second Temple, for example?
– Al Berko
59 mins ago
@AlBerko (Tzedukim came around fairly early during Bayis Sheini, btw.) I don’t think the chumra was new; apparently Avraham Avinu held of it (BM 87b; yes, I know that BM was written much later). I think the only thing that changed was giving that group of people a name.
– DonielF
57 mins ago
Look at his previous explanation: "אומרים צדוקין. המכחישין תורה שבעל פה נקראים צדוקים, על שם צדוק וביתוס תלמידיו של אנטיגנוס איש סוכו שהתחילו בקלקלה זו תחילה." it clearly point to the fact that the Zdukim were ones to stray (according to us).
– Al Berko
54 mins ago
|
show 5 more comments
Interesting, how come it (the name/party/movement/sect) happened only in the times of the destruction of the second Temple? What was before that?
– Al Berko
1 hour ago
@AlBerko Mu theory, based on the wording of the Bartenura, based on the wording of the Mishnah in Yadayim, is that the Tzedukim gave the name to them, perhaps disparagingly, and they proudly wore it as a badge of honor instead (as indicated by Mishnayos such as the one in Chagigah which use the name independently of the Tzedukim).
– DonielF
1 hour ago
Good, but why did it start all of sudden? what was the Halacha before, what the majority followed for the 420 years of the Second Temple, for example?
– Al Berko
59 mins ago
@AlBerko (Tzedukim came around fairly early during Bayis Sheini, btw.) I don’t think the chumra was new; apparently Avraham Avinu held of it (BM 87b; yes, I know that BM was written much later). I think the only thing that changed was giving that group of people a name.
– DonielF
57 mins ago
Look at his previous explanation: "אומרים צדוקין. המכחישין תורה שבעל פה נקראים צדוקים, על שם צדוק וביתוס תלמידיו של אנטיגנוס איש סוכו שהתחילו בקלקלה זו תחילה." it clearly point to the fact that the Zdukim were ones to stray (according to us).
– Al Berko
54 mins ago
Interesting, how come it (the name/party/movement/sect) happened only in the times of the destruction of the second Temple? What was before that?
– Al Berko
1 hour ago
Interesting, how come it (the name/party/movement/sect) happened only in the times of the destruction of the second Temple? What was before that?
– Al Berko
1 hour ago
@AlBerko Mu theory, based on the wording of the Bartenura, based on the wording of the Mishnah in Yadayim, is that the Tzedukim gave the name to them, perhaps disparagingly, and they proudly wore it as a badge of honor instead (as indicated by Mishnayos such as the one in Chagigah which use the name independently of the Tzedukim).
– DonielF
1 hour ago
@AlBerko Mu theory, based on the wording of the Bartenura, based on the wording of the Mishnah in Yadayim, is that the Tzedukim gave the name to them, perhaps disparagingly, and they proudly wore it as a badge of honor instead (as indicated by Mishnayos such as the one in Chagigah which use the name independently of the Tzedukim).
– DonielF
1 hour ago
Good, but why did it start all of sudden? what was the Halacha before, what the majority followed for the 420 years of the Second Temple, for example?
– Al Berko
59 mins ago
Good, but why did it start all of sudden? what was the Halacha before, what the majority followed for the 420 years of the Second Temple, for example?
– Al Berko
59 mins ago
@AlBerko (Tzedukim came around fairly early during Bayis Sheini, btw.) I don’t think the chumra was new; apparently Avraham Avinu held of it (BM 87b; yes, I know that BM was written much later). I think the only thing that changed was giving that group of people a name.
– DonielF
57 mins ago
@AlBerko (Tzedukim came around fairly early during Bayis Sheini, btw.) I don’t think the chumra was new; apparently Avraham Avinu held of it (BM 87b; yes, I know that BM was written much later). I think the only thing that changed was giving that group of people a name.
– DonielF
57 mins ago
Look at his previous explanation: "אומרים צדוקין. המכחישין תורה שבעל פה נקראים צדוקים, על שם צדוק וביתוס תלמידיו של אנטיגנוס איש סוכו שהתחילו בקלקלה זו תחילה." it clearly point to the fact that the Zdukim were ones to stray (according to us).
– Al Berko
54 mins ago
Look at his previous explanation: "אומרים צדוקין. המכחישין תורה שבעל פה נקראים צדוקים, על שם צדוק וביתוס תלמידיו של אנטיגנוס איש סוכו שהתחילו בקלקלה זו תחילה." it clearly point to the fact that the Zdukim were ones to stray (according to us).
– Al Berko
54 mins ago
|
show 5 more comments
The theory I’ve heard is that they separated from the amei haaretz to avoid becoming tamei
– Joel K
2 hours ago