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Explain the objections to these measures against human trafficking
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In the state I live there are some measures being discussed that are meant to combat human trafficking. A couple of the ones I've heard are:
One is to close down illicit massage parlors
Another is for hotel workers to report suspected victims of human trafficking (who are likely underage)
Now, I've heard that there is some controversy to these suggestions. Some say that 1 will force victims out onto the streets and into more dangerous situations. I don't understand this objection as I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue.
An objection to 2 I heard was that 2 would put victims at higher risk of retribution from traffickers, and that it should only be done with the consent of the victim. This too I do not understand, as I thought there would be discretion on part of the law and that victims might have a hard time speaking up.
Could someone explain the measures and the objections further? Some of these come from advocacy groups and while I value their insight and respect their work I have a hard time fully understanding. I don't know how to ask but I would also appreciate hearing any other aspects of the debate too
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In the state I live there are some measures being discussed that are meant to combat human trafficking. A couple of the ones I've heard are:
One is to close down illicit massage parlors
Another is for hotel workers to report suspected victims of human trafficking (who are likely underage)
Now, I've heard that there is some controversy to these suggestions. Some say that 1 will force victims out onto the streets and into more dangerous situations. I don't understand this objection as I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue.
An objection to 2 I heard was that 2 would put victims at higher risk of retribution from traffickers, and that it should only be done with the consent of the victim. This too I do not understand, as I thought there would be discretion on part of the law and that victims might have a hard time speaking up.
Could someone explain the measures and the objections further? Some of these come from advocacy groups and while I value their insight and respect their work I have a hard time fully understanding. I don't know how to ask but I would also appreciate hearing any other aspects of the debate too
united-states human-trafficking
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"...I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue" In a perfect world, yes. However, just as in instances where children obviously need to be removed from an abusive situation, people fall through the cracks. This is neither an argument for nor against the proposal in question, just elaborating on the realities of the situation.
– John Doe
1 hour ago
1
Looking at your profile, it seems the state you're asking about is Florida. The second proposal you list is most likely SB 540, but it's unclear to me whether the first is the same one or a different one entirely. Adding this here to help potential answerers.
– Jeff Lambert
1 hour ago
1
Probably the objection about forcing the victims into the street are not necessarily about the specific victims in any one massage parlor, as much as the general population and potential future victims.
– PoloHoleSet
33 mins ago
add a comment |
In the state I live there are some measures being discussed that are meant to combat human trafficking. A couple of the ones I've heard are:
One is to close down illicit massage parlors
Another is for hotel workers to report suspected victims of human trafficking (who are likely underage)
Now, I've heard that there is some controversy to these suggestions. Some say that 1 will force victims out onto the streets and into more dangerous situations. I don't understand this objection as I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue.
An objection to 2 I heard was that 2 would put victims at higher risk of retribution from traffickers, and that it should only be done with the consent of the victim. This too I do not understand, as I thought there would be discretion on part of the law and that victims might have a hard time speaking up.
Could someone explain the measures and the objections further? Some of these come from advocacy groups and while I value their insight and respect their work I have a hard time fully understanding. I don't know how to ask but I would also appreciate hearing any other aspects of the debate too
united-states human-trafficking
asked 2 hours ago
user1675016user1675016
44928
In the state I live there are some measures being discussed that are meant to combat human trafficking. A couple of the ones I've heard are:
One is to close down illicit massage parlors
Another is for hotel workers to report suspected victims of human trafficking (who are likely underage)
Now, I've heard that there is some controversy to these suggestions. Some say that 1 will force victims out onto the streets and into more dangerous situations. I don't understand this objection as I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue.
An objection to 2 I heard was that 2 would put victims at higher risk of retribution from traffickers, and that it should only be done with the consent of the victim. This too I do not understand, as I thought there would be discretion on part of the law and that victims might have a hard time speaking up.
Could someone explain the measures and the objections further? Some of these come from advocacy groups and while I value their insight and respect their work I have a hard time fully understanding. I don't know how to ask but I would also appreciate hearing any other aspects of the debate too
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"...I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue" In a perfect world, yes. However, just as in instances where children obviously need to be removed from an abusive situation, people fall through the cracks. This is neither an argument for nor against the proposal in question, just elaborating on the realities of the situation.
– John Doe
1 hour ago
1
Looking at your profile, it seems the state you're asking about is Florida. The second proposal you list is most likely SB 540, but it's unclear to me whether the first is the same one or a different one entirely. Adding this here to help potential answerers.
– Jeff Lambert
1 hour ago
1
Probably the objection about forcing the victims into the street are not necessarily about the specific victims in any one massage parlor, as much as the general population and potential future victims.
– PoloHoleSet
33 mins ago
add a comment |
"...I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue" In a perfect world, yes. However, just as in instances where children obviously need to be removed from an abusive situation, people fall through the cracks. This is neither an argument for nor against the proposal in question, just elaborating on the realities of the situation.
– John Doe
1 hour ago
1
Looking at your profile, it seems the state you're asking about is Florida. The second proposal you list is most likely SB 540, but it's unclear to me whether the first is the same one or a different one entirely. Adding this here to help potential answerers.
– Jeff Lambert
1 hour ago
1
Probably the objection about forcing the victims into the street are not necessarily about the specific victims in any one massage parlor, as much as the general population and potential future victims.
– PoloHoleSet
33 mins ago
"...I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue" In a perfect world, yes. However, just as in instances where children obviously need to be removed from an abusive situation, people fall through the cracks. This is neither an argument for nor against the proposal in question, just elaborating on the realities of the situation.
– John Doe
1 hour ago
"...I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue" In a perfect world, yes. However, just as in instances where children obviously need to be removed from an abusive situation, people fall through the cracks. This is neither an argument for nor against the proposal in question, just elaborating on the realities of the situation.
– John Doe
1 hour ago
1
1
Looking at your profile, it seems the state you're asking about is Florida. The second proposal you list is most likely SB 540, but it's unclear to me whether the first is the same one or a different one entirely. Adding this here to help potential answerers.
– Jeff Lambert
1 hour ago
Looking at your profile, it seems the state you're asking about is Florida. The second proposal you list is most likely SB 540, but it's unclear to me whether the first is the same one or a different one entirely. Adding this here to help potential answerers.
– Jeff Lambert
1 hour ago
1
1
Probably the objection about forcing the victims into the street are not necessarily about the specific victims in any one massage parlor, as much as the general population and potential future victims.
– PoloHoleSet
33 mins ago
Probably the objection about forcing the victims into the street are not necessarily about the specific victims in any one massage parlor, as much as the general population and potential future victims.
– PoloHoleSet
33 mins ago
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For case 1, the unstated assumptions are that prostitution will take place regardless of the government's attempts to stop it, and even if there are illicit massage parlors populated with victims of human trafficking, there are also illicit massage parlors with voluntary prostitutes. The voluntary prostitutes will not be "rescued" because, they don't need "rescuing" and if they keep doing sex work they will do it elsewhere. There are many values of "elsewhere" more dangerous for the prostitute and less desirable for society than an illicit massage parlor, e.g. city streets.
For case 2, most mandatory reporting laws require that the mandatory reporter's personally identifying information be taken and made available. This information may be published to other law enforcement personnel and may appear in court documents depending on how a case proceeds. The reporter therefore can be subject to intimidation. Also, if you know who the reporter is, it is a trivial exercise for a criminal organization to determine when and where that person works and therefore determine who is likely to be the victim that caused the report to be filed.
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For case #1, I've always found it rather difficult to understand why "human trafficing" would be involved at all in "normal" prostitution. (Obviously child porn &c could be different.) It would seem far more efficient simply to hire willing workers, rather than to maintain a substantial network of thugs &c.
– jamesqf
12 mins ago
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For case 1, the unstated assumptions are that prostitution will take place regardless of the government's attempts to stop it, and even if there are illicit massage parlors populated with victims of human trafficking, there are also illicit massage parlors with voluntary prostitutes. The voluntary prostitutes will not be "rescued" because, they don't need "rescuing" and if they keep doing sex work they will do it elsewhere. There are many values of "elsewhere" more dangerous for the prostitute and less desirable for society than an illicit massage parlor, e.g. city streets.
For case 2, most mandatory reporting laws require that the mandatory reporter's personally identifying information be taken and made available. This information may be published to other law enforcement personnel and may appear in court documents depending on how a case proceeds. The reporter therefore can be subject to intimidation. Also, if you know who the reporter is, it is a trivial exercise for a criminal organization to determine when and where that person works and therefore determine who is likely to be the victim that caused the report to be filed.
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For case #1, I've always found it rather difficult to understand why "human trafficing" would be involved at all in "normal" prostitution. (Obviously child porn &c could be different.) It would seem far more efficient simply to hire willing workers, rather than to maintain a substantial network of thugs &c.
– jamesqf
12 mins ago
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For case 1, the unstated assumptions are that prostitution will take place regardless of the government's attempts to stop it, and even if there are illicit massage parlors populated with victims of human trafficking, there are also illicit massage parlors with voluntary prostitutes. The voluntary prostitutes will not be "rescued" because, they don't need "rescuing" and if they keep doing sex work they will do it elsewhere. There are many values of "elsewhere" more dangerous for the prostitute and less desirable for society than an illicit massage parlor, e.g. city streets.
For case 2, most mandatory reporting laws require that the mandatory reporter's personally identifying information be taken and made available. This information may be published to other law enforcement personnel and may appear in court documents depending on how a case proceeds. The reporter therefore can be subject to intimidation. Also, if you know who the reporter is, it is a trivial exercise for a criminal organization to determine when and where that person works and therefore determine who is likely to be the victim that caused the report to be filed.
answered 1 hour ago
JoeJoe
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For case #1, I've always found it rather difficult to understand why "human trafficing" would be involved at all in "normal" prostitution. (Obviously child porn &c could be different.) It would seem far more efficient simply to hire willing workers, rather than to maintain a substantial network of thugs &c.
– jamesqf
12 mins ago
add a comment |
For case 1, the unstated assumptions are that prostitution will take place regardless of the government's attempts to stop it, and even if there are illicit massage parlors populated with victims of human trafficking, there are also illicit massage parlors with voluntary prostitutes. The voluntary prostitutes will not be "rescued" because, they don't need "rescuing" and if they keep doing sex work they will do it elsewhere. There are many values of "elsewhere" more dangerous for the prostitute and less desirable for society than an illicit massage parlor, e.g. city streets.
For case 2, most mandatory reporting laws require that the mandatory reporter's personally identifying information be taken and made available. This information may be published to other law enforcement personnel and may appear in court documents depending on how a case proceeds. The reporter therefore can be subject to intimidation. Also, if you know who the reporter is, it is a trivial exercise for a criminal organization to determine when and where that person works and therefore determine who is likely to be the victim that caused the report to be filed.
answered 1 hour ago
JoeJoe
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For case 1, the unstated assumptions are that prostitution will take place regardless of the government's attempts to stop it, and even if there are illicit massage parlors populated with victims of human trafficking, there are also illicit massage parlors with voluntary prostitutes. The voluntary prostitutes will not be "rescued" because, they don't need "rescuing" and if they keep doing sex work they will do it elsewhere. There are many values of "elsewhere" more dangerous for the prostitute and less desirable for society than an illicit massage parlor, e.g. city streets.
For case 2, most mandatory reporting laws require that the mandatory reporter's personally identifying information be taken and made available. This information may be published to other law enforcement personnel and may appear in court documents depending on how a case proceeds. The reporter therefore can be subject to intimidation. Also, if you know who the reporter is, it is a trivial exercise for a criminal organization to determine when and where that person works and therefore determine who is likely to be the victim that caused the report to be filed.
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For case #1, I've always found it rather difficult to understand why "human trafficing" would be involved at all in "normal" prostitution. (Obviously child porn &c could be different.) It would seem far more efficient simply to hire willing workers, rather than to maintain a substantial network of thugs &c.
– jamesqf
12 mins ago
add a comment |
For case #1, I've always found it rather difficult to understand why "human trafficing" would be involved at all in "normal" prostitution. (Obviously child porn &c could be different.) It would seem far more efficient simply to hire willing workers, rather than to maintain a substantial network of thugs &c.
– jamesqf
12 mins ago
For case #1, I've always found it rather difficult to understand why "human trafficing" would be involved at all in "normal" prostitution. (Obviously child porn &c could be different.) It would seem far more efficient simply to hire willing workers, rather than to maintain a substantial network of thugs &c.
– jamesqf
12 mins ago
For case #1, I've always found it rather difficult to understand why "human trafficing" would be involved at all in "normal" prostitution. (Obviously child porn &c could be different.) It would seem far more efficient simply to hire willing workers, rather than to maintain a substantial network of thugs &c.
– jamesqf
12 mins ago
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"...I had imagined that shutting down the shop would include rescue" In a perfect world, yes. However, just as in instances where children obviously need to be removed from an abusive situation, people fall through the cracks. This is neither an argument for nor against the proposal in question, just elaborating on the realities of the situation.
– John Doe
1 hour ago
1
Looking at your profile, it seems the state you're asking about is Florida. The second proposal you list is most likely SB 540, but it's unclear to me whether the first is the same one or a different one entirely. Adding this here to help potential answerers.
– Jeff Lambert
1 hour ago
1
Probably the objection about forcing the victims into the street are not necessarily about the specific victims in any one massage parlor, as much as the general population and potential future victims.
– PoloHoleSet
33 mins ago