Can you combine War Caster, whip, and Warlock Features to EB enemies with reach?War Caster, a whip and a...
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Can you combine War Caster, whip, and Warlock Features to EB enemies with reach?
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So, Whip is a one-handed martial weapon with reach. Reach is a feature that, among other things, lets you make opportunity attacks with that weapon out to 10 feet instead of just five.
Equipment
Reach (p. 147). This property also
determines your reach for opportunity attacks
with a reach weapon.
— PHB Errata
War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of making an opportunity attack.
Both Hexblade and the Eldritch Invocation Improved Pact Weapon have ways of letting you use a one-handed martial weapon as your spellcasting focus.
So, if you have War Caster, and you have a whip that you can use as a spellcasting focus, would that let you use Eldritch Blast on anyone who provokes an opportunity attack within 10 feet?
As far as I can tell, the real question is whether "spell using the weapon as a spellcasting focus" counts for the "with that weapon" requirement of the Reach property, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer on that.
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So, Whip is a one-handed martial weapon with reach. Reach is a feature that, among other things, lets you make opportunity attacks with that weapon out to 10 feet instead of just five.
Equipment
Reach (p. 147). This property also
determines your reach for opportunity attacks
with a reach weapon.
— PHB Errata
War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of making an opportunity attack.
Both Hexblade and the Eldritch Invocation Improved Pact Weapon have ways of letting you use a one-handed martial weapon as your spellcasting focus.
So, if you have War Caster, and you have a whip that you can use as a spellcasting focus, would that let you use Eldritch Blast on anyone who provokes an opportunity attack within 10 feet?
As far as I can tell, the real question is whether "spell using the weapon as a spellcasting focus" counts for the "with that weapon" requirement of the Reach property, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer on that.
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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So, Whip is a one-handed martial weapon with reach. Reach is a feature that, among other things, lets you make opportunity attacks with that weapon out to 10 feet instead of just five.
Equipment
Reach (p. 147). This property also
determines your reach for opportunity attacks
with a reach weapon.
— PHB Errata
War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of making an opportunity attack.
Both Hexblade and the Eldritch Invocation Improved Pact Weapon have ways of letting you use a one-handed martial weapon as your spellcasting focus.
So, if you have War Caster, and you have a whip that you can use as a spellcasting focus, would that let you use Eldritch Blast on anyone who provokes an opportunity attack within 10 feet?
As far as I can tell, the real question is whether "spell using the weapon as a spellcasting focus" counts for the "with that weapon" requirement of the Reach property, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer on that.
dnd-5e feats warlock opportunity-attack reach
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So, Whip is a one-handed martial weapon with reach. Reach is a feature that, among other things, lets you make opportunity attacks with that weapon out to 10 feet instead of just five.
Equipment
Reach (p. 147). This property also
determines your reach for opportunity attacks
with a reach weapon.
— PHB Errata
War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of making an opportunity attack.
Both Hexblade and the Eldritch Invocation Improved Pact Weapon have ways of letting you use a one-handed martial weapon as your spellcasting focus.
So, if you have War Caster, and you have a whip that you can use as a spellcasting focus, would that let you use Eldritch Blast on anyone who provokes an opportunity attack within 10 feet?
As far as I can tell, the real question is whether "spell using the weapon as a spellcasting focus" counts for the "with that weapon" requirement of the Reach property, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer on that.
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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– Ben Barden
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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– Ben Barden
1 hour ago
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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– Ben Barden
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
52 mins ago
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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– Ben Barden
51 mins ago
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
Why this works:
- When wielding the whip, you get an OA when a creature leaves 10' from you.
- When an OA is triggered (at 10' for you), you can cast a spell instead of making the attack via War Caster. The condition, when an OA is triggered, has been met.
- EB is cast because target is in range of EB and V/S components have been met.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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What do you make of the "with it" at the end of that rule then? It seems to me that the rule explicitly says that reach is only calculated that way when using that weapon to make the OA. How do you read that? Note that this Q&A rules the same way.
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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@Rubiksmoose The "with it" means that if you're wielding, for example, a whip and a shortsword, your reach for the whip doesn't add reach to your shortsword. But the "with it" isn't relevant in this scenario. By RAW, War Caster requires only that an opportunity attack has been provoked by movement.
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
Why this works:
- When wielding the whip, you get an OA when a creature leaves 10' from you.
- When an OA is triggered (at 10' for you), you can cast a spell instead of making the attack via War Caster. The condition, when an OA is triggered, has been met.
- EB is cast because target is in range of EB and V/S components have been met.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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What do you make of the "with it" at the end of that rule then? It seems to me that the rule explicitly says that reach is only calculated that way when using that weapon to make the OA. How do you read that? Note that this Q&A rules the same way.
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
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@Rubiksmoose The "with it" means that if you're wielding, for example, a whip and a shortsword, your reach for the whip doesn't add reach to your shortsword. But the "with it" isn't relevant in this scenario. By RAW, War Caster requires only that an opportunity attack has been provoked by movement.
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
Why this works:
- When wielding the whip, you get an OA when a creature leaves 10' from you.
- When an OA is triggered (at 10' for you), you can cast a spell instead of making the attack via War Caster. The condition, when an OA is triggered, has been met.
- EB is cast because target is in range of EB and V/S components have been met.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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What do you make of the "with it" at the end of that rule then? It seems to me that the rule explicitly says that reach is only calculated that way when using that weapon to make the OA. How do you read that? Note that this Q&A rules the same way.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose The "with it" means that if you're wielding, for example, a whip and a shortsword, your reach for the whip doesn't add reach to your shortsword. But the "with it" isn't relevant in this scenario. By RAW, War Caster requires only that an opportunity attack has been provoked by movement.
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– Bloodcinder
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
Why this works:
- When wielding the whip, you get an OA when a creature leaves 10' from you.
- When an OA is triggered (at 10' for you), you can cast a spell instead of making the attack via War Caster. The condition, when an OA is triggered, has been met.
- EB is cast because target is in range of EB and V/S components have been met.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
Why this works:
- When wielding the whip, you get an OA when a creature leaves 10' from you.
- When an OA is triggered (at 10' for you), you can cast a spell instead of making the attack via War Caster. The condition, when an OA is triggered, has been met.
- EB is cast because target is in range of EB and V/S components have been met.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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What do you make of the "with it" at the end of that rule then? It seems to me that the rule explicitly says that reach is only calculated that way when using that weapon to make the OA. How do you read that? Note that this Q&A rules the same way.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose The "with it" means that if you're wielding, for example, a whip and a shortsword, your reach for the whip doesn't add reach to your shortsword. But the "with it" isn't relevant in this scenario. By RAW, War Caster requires only that an opportunity attack has been provoked by movement.
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– Bloodcinder
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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What do you make of the "with it" at the end of that rule then? It seems to me that the rule explicitly says that reach is only calculated that way when using that weapon to make the OA. How do you read that? Note that this Q&A rules the same way.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose The "with it" means that if you're wielding, for example, a whip and a shortsword, your reach for the whip doesn't add reach to your shortsword. But the "with it" isn't relevant in this scenario. By RAW, War Caster requires only that an opportunity attack has been provoked by movement.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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What do you make of the "with it" at the end of that rule then? It seems to me that the rule explicitly says that reach is only calculated that way when using that weapon to make the OA. How do you read that? Note that this Q&A rules the same way.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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What do you make of the "with it" at the end of that rule then? It seems to me that the rule explicitly says that reach is only calculated that way when using that weapon to make the OA. How do you read that? Note that this Q&A rules the same way.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose The "with it" means that if you're wielding, for example, a whip and a shortsword, your reach for the whip doesn't add reach to your shortsword. But the "with it" isn't relevant in this scenario. By RAW, War Caster requires only that an opportunity attack has been provoked by movement.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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@Rubiksmoose The "with it" means that if you're wielding, for example, a whip and a shortsword, your reach for the whip doesn't add reach to your shortsword. But the "with it" isn't relevant in this scenario. By RAW, War Caster requires only that an opportunity attack has been provoked by movement.
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– Bloodcinder
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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– Ben Barden
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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