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Can you tell from a blurry photo if focus was too close or too far?
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If you focus on a plane that is in front of your subject, or past it (relative to depth of field), the subject will appear blurry. Is there some way of telling purely from the resulting picture if focus was too near or far?
EDIT: to clarify, I don't mean plane as in airplane, I meant the "plane" in space that is, for a given focus setting, sharp. As determined by the lens and film/sensor. The focal plane. The question comes down to "can you detect from blur whether it was back-focus or front-focus?"
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If you focus on a plane that is in front of your subject, or past it (relative to depth of field), the subject will appear blurry. Is there some way of telling purely from the resulting picture if focus was too near or far?
EDIT: to clarify, I don't mean plane as in airplane, I meant the "plane" in space that is, for a given focus setting, sharp. As determined by the lens and film/sensor. The focal plane. The question comes down to "can you detect from blur whether it was back-focus or front-focus?"
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panasonic says they can imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh4/panasonic-gh4TECH.HTM
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If you focus on a plane that is in front of your subject, or past it (relative to depth of field), the subject will appear blurry. Is there some way of telling purely from the resulting picture if focus was too near or far?
EDIT: to clarify, I don't mean plane as in airplane, I meant the "plane" in space that is, for a given focus setting, sharp. As determined by the lens and film/sensor. The focal plane. The question comes down to "can you detect from blur whether it was back-focus or front-focus?"
focus blur focus-distance
If you focus on a plane that is in front of your subject, or past it (relative to depth of field), the subject will appear blurry. Is there some way of telling purely from the resulting picture if focus was too near or far?
EDIT: to clarify, I don't mean plane as in airplane, I meant the "plane" in space that is, for a given focus setting, sharp. As determined by the lens and film/sensor. The focal plane. The question comes down to "can you detect from blur whether it was back-focus or front-focus?"
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It depends. In many cases, it may actually be possible without any further visual aids in the picture.
Many lenses, if not most, will show different longitudinal chromatic aberration in front of and behind the focus plane. If you scroll down just a little bit on the linked page, you will see this demonstrated with a picture of a focus test chart. With this lens, the blur in front of the focus point will have purple colour fringing, while the blur behind the focus point will seem greenish.
If you know the characteristics of this lens, you could look at just a very small part of the image like e.g:
... and say for sure that this out-of-focus area is behind the focus plane.
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so, you can't determine it from the blur (which this question is asking about). you need additional information about the lens and other abberations.
– ths
19 hours ago
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@ths i don't see it asking if you can tell from the blur itself. Can you quote that section? I only see "from a blurry photo" (which is different than just from the blur itself. Rather, it is the photo as a whole, which happens to be blurry), and "from the resulting picture" (which further broadens what the OP is asking for). But maybe I missed it, or the question was edited
– Aethenosity
15 hours ago
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@Aethenosity OP's mother tongue is probably not English, but that is also how I read the question: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
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@Aethenosity Like you said and like how I tried to rephrase the question with my own words, as I understand it: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
@jarnbjo I'm indeed not a native English speaker, but if the question is unclear it is more likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding the proper terms to phrase it in. Your interpretation is correct. Blur will result either from the convergence point of light rays being behind the film/sensor (subject between camera and focal plane) or being in front of it (subject further than focal plane). In the latter case the a point light source is blurred "inverted". This answer cleverly makes use of that due to the difference in refraction for different wavelengths.
– G_H
4 mins ago
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When the aperture is positioned to minimize vignetting, the bokeh shapes for objects that are too far is upside down compared with objects that are too near. If the arrangement of your aperture blades is not horizontally symmetrical, you can try finding "reference bokeh" that are clearly nearer or further than the focus plane to compare with highlights on the subject to see whether the bokeh shapes are the same or upside down.
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Very clever! And independent of color or black and white.
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My answer only deals with "human" ways in differentiation - that is: No software, only your eyes and hands.
If I have no reference (as in: you blind me, you set the focus distance, and then I can only look through the viewfinder, but cannot change a thing), the answer is: it depends on what I can see.
Take, for example, an alley of trees: one in front, one where the subject stands, and one in the distance. When I see that the subject is not sharp, I can try to tell whether the tree in the foreground or the one in the background is more in focus.
If I have no reference - e.g., as Yaba mentioned, when taking a photo of a aeroplane with blue sky in the background and no foreground, then I have no way to know exactly (my guess would be that focus is too close, however, as planes tend to be somewhere near infinity).
The easiest way to find out usually is to slightly change the focus and see where it is (again, this works better with a reference than without).
But generally speaking, there is no sure way to differentiate - too short a focus distance does not lead to (significantly) different blur compared to a focus distance that is too long.
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If the plane is too far or to close is just from the blur hard to say. the easiest way is to have objects in front and behind and see which one is sharp and so you could determine if it is too far or too close... this is the same way as it is done by calibrating the autofocus of a lens with a lenscal tool like this.
without such objects its hard to tell it.
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With a plane in the sky it get's hard. Unlike there are other objects at different distances available (Birds, Clouds,...) you cannot compare it easily visually.
Some lense/camera combinations can track the focus distance and will write it into the EXIFs. However this is not very reliable, but could give you a hint. When you know the plane type and therefore can look up it's real size you can calculate it's aproximate distance and compare this to the focus distance.
This page with its calculator can help you with this: https://www.scantips.com/lights/subjectdistance.html
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Well, then the question was not clear. In this case it's easy. Look for other elements either in the front or behind that are in focus. However if it that's what has been asked I wonder why it was asked as this is obvious, isn't it?
– Yaba
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@Yaba "a plane that is too much in front of your subject". I think if an aeroplane is too close in front of what you're trying to shoot and in a state of movement that makes it hard to focus on, you have more urgent issues than getting a good photo.
– G_H
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@Yaba The question is if there are aspects to the blurred part of an image that can tell you if it's a result of back-focus or front-focus. You may not have anything in front or back of the subject to tell. Back-focusing would put the intended image "behind" the film/sensor plane, front focusing in front of it. Meaning front-focusing also inverts it. I thought this might affect the appearance of the blur in some noticeable way. I'm asking out of interest.
– G_H
23 hours ago
OK, understood. However still what I wrote applies. As long as you know the actual size of the subject you can calculate it's real distance (in case you do not know it) and compare it to the EXIF focal distance data to get a hint.
– Yaba
22 mins ago
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No
it is technically not possible to detect from the blur alone how far or in which direction the image is out of focus.
This is the reason why contrast-detection autofocus systems have to "hunt" for focus by repeatedly changing the focus distance and checking whether the image got better or worse.
In contrast, phase-detection AF systems know (theoretically) exactly how far and in which direction they have to change focus to achieve optimal sharpness.
Of course the image changes if you take context clues from other objects in the picture into account (i.e. "guessing"), but that is something which currently ony organic viewers can do. This might change with AI algorithms in-camera, but i suspect other advances will improve on pure CD-AF before that. (see @szulat 's link from acomment:https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh4/panasonic-gh4TECH.HTM)
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In certain cases, software could determine this from other artifacts/aberrations that are a result of being out of focus - eg spherochromatism....
– rackandboneman
19 hours ago
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Yes, if the content includes edges at different distances.
If you can tell that a further object is more blurred than a nearer one, then it's further from the plane of focus. That means that the focus is too short.
Conversely, if the distant objects are less blurred than those in the foreground, the focus is too long.
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It depends. In many cases, it may actually be possible without any further visual aids in the picture.
Many lenses, if not most, will show different longitudinal chromatic aberration in front of and behind the focus plane. If you scroll down just a little bit on the linked page, you will see this demonstrated with a picture of a focus test chart. With this lens, the blur in front of the focus point will have purple colour fringing, while the blur behind the focus point will seem greenish.
If you know the characteristics of this lens, you could look at just a very small part of the image like e.g:
... and say for sure that this out-of-focus area is behind the focus plane.
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so, you can't determine it from the blur (which this question is asking about). you need additional information about the lens and other abberations.
– ths
19 hours ago
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@ths i don't see it asking if you can tell from the blur itself. Can you quote that section? I only see "from a blurry photo" (which is different than just from the blur itself. Rather, it is the photo as a whole, which happens to be blurry), and "from the resulting picture" (which further broadens what the OP is asking for). But maybe I missed it, or the question was edited
– Aethenosity
15 hours ago
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@Aethenosity OP's mother tongue is probably not English, but that is also how I read the question: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
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@Aethenosity Like you said and like how I tried to rephrase the question with my own words, as I understand it: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
@jarnbjo I'm indeed not a native English speaker, but if the question is unclear it is more likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding the proper terms to phrase it in. Your interpretation is correct. Blur will result either from the convergence point of light rays being behind the film/sensor (subject between camera and focal plane) or being in front of it (subject further than focal plane). In the latter case the a point light source is blurred "inverted". This answer cleverly makes use of that due to the difference in refraction for different wavelengths.
– G_H
4 mins ago
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It depends. In many cases, it may actually be possible without any further visual aids in the picture.
Many lenses, if not most, will show different longitudinal chromatic aberration in front of and behind the focus plane. If you scroll down just a little bit on the linked page, you will see this demonstrated with a picture of a focus test chart. With this lens, the blur in front of the focus point will have purple colour fringing, while the blur behind the focus point will seem greenish.
If you know the characteristics of this lens, you could look at just a very small part of the image like e.g:
... and say for sure that this out-of-focus area is behind the focus plane.
2
so, you can't determine it from the blur (which this question is asking about). you need additional information about the lens and other abberations.
– ths
19 hours ago
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@ths i don't see it asking if you can tell from the blur itself. Can you quote that section? I only see "from a blurry photo" (which is different than just from the blur itself. Rather, it is the photo as a whole, which happens to be blurry), and "from the resulting picture" (which further broadens what the OP is asking for). But maybe I missed it, or the question was edited
– Aethenosity
15 hours ago
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@Aethenosity OP's mother tongue is probably not English, but that is also how I read the question: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
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@Aethenosity Like you said and like how I tried to rephrase the question with my own words, as I understand it: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
@jarnbjo I'm indeed not a native English speaker, but if the question is unclear it is more likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding the proper terms to phrase it in. Your interpretation is correct. Blur will result either from the convergence point of light rays being behind the film/sensor (subject between camera and focal plane) or being in front of it (subject further than focal plane). In the latter case the a point light source is blurred "inverted". This answer cleverly makes use of that due to the difference in refraction for different wavelengths.
– G_H
4 mins ago
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It depends. In many cases, it may actually be possible without any further visual aids in the picture.
Many lenses, if not most, will show different longitudinal chromatic aberration in front of and behind the focus plane. If you scroll down just a little bit on the linked page, you will see this demonstrated with a picture of a focus test chart. With this lens, the blur in front of the focus point will have purple colour fringing, while the blur behind the focus point will seem greenish.
If you know the characteristics of this lens, you could look at just a very small part of the image like e.g:
... and say for sure that this out-of-focus area is behind the focus plane.
It depends. In many cases, it may actually be possible without any further visual aids in the picture.
Many lenses, if not most, will show different longitudinal chromatic aberration in front of and behind the focus plane. If you scroll down just a little bit on the linked page, you will see this demonstrated with a picture of a focus test chart. With this lens, the blur in front of the focus point will have purple colour fringing, while the blur behind the focus point will seem greenish.
If you know the characteristics of this lens, you could look at just a very small part of the image like e.g:
... and say for sure that this out-of-focus area is behind the focus plane.
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so, you can't determine it from the blur (which this question is asking about). you need additional information about the lens and other abberations.
– ths
19 hours ago
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@ths i don't see it asking if you can tell from the blur itself. Can you quote that section? I only see "from a blurry photo" (which is different than just from the blur itself. Rather, it is the photo as a whole, which happens to be blurry), and "from the resulting picture" (which further broadens what the OP is asking for). But maybe I missed it, or the question was edited
– Aethenosity
15 hours ago
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@Aethenosity OP's mother tongue is probably not English, but that is also how I read the question: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
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@Aethenosity Like you said and like how I tried to rephrase the question with my own words, as I understand it: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
@jarnbjo I'm indeed not a native English speaker, but if the question is unclear it is more likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding the proper terms to phrase it in. Your interpretation is correct. Blur will result either from the convergence point of light rays being behind the film/sensor (subject between camera and focal plane) or being in front of it (subject further than focal plane). In the latter case the a point light source is blurred "inverted". This answer cleverly makes use of that due to the difference in refraction for different wavelengths.
– G_H
4 mins ago
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so, you can't determine it from the blur (which this question is asking about). you need additional information about the lens and other abberations.
– ths
19 hours ago
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@ths i don't see it asking if you can tell from the blur itself. Can you quote that section? I only see "from a blurry photo" (which is different than just from the blur itself. Rather, it is the photo as a whole, which happens to be blurry), and "from the resulting picture" (which further broadens what the OP is asking for). But maybe I missed it, or the question was edited
– Aethenosity
15 hours ago
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@Aethenosity OP's mother tongue is probably not English, but that is also how I read the question: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
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@Aethenosity Like you said and like how I tried to rephrase the question with my own words, as I understand it: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
@jarnbjo I'm indeed not a native English speaker, but if the question is unclear it is more likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding the proper terms to phrase it in. Your interpretation is correct. Blur will result either from the convergence point of light rays being behind the film/sensor (subject between camera and focal plane) or being in front of it (subject further than focal plane). In the latter case the a point light source is blurred "inverted". This answer cleverly makes use of that due to the difference in refraction for different wavelengths.
– G_H
4 mins ago
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so, you can't determine it from the blur (which this question is asking about). you need additional information about the lens and other abberations.
– ths
19 hours ago
so, you can't determine it from the blur (which this question is asking about). you need additional information about the lens and other abberations.
– ths
19 hours ago
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@ths i don't see it asking if you can tell from the blur itself. Can you quote that section? I only see "from a blurry photo" (which is different than just from the blur itself. Rather, it is the photo as a whole, which happens to be blurry), and "from the resulting picture" (which further broadens what the OP is asking for). But maybe I missed it, or the question was edited
– Aethenosity
15 hours ago
@ths i don't see it asking if you can tell from the blur itself. Can you quote that section? I only see "from a blurry photo" (which is different than just from the blur itself. Rather, it is the photo as a whole, which happens to be blurry), and "from the resulting picture" (which further broadens what the OP is asking for). But maybe I missed it, or the question was edited
– Aethenosity
15 hours ago
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@Aethenosity OP's mother tongue is probably not English, but that is also how I read the question: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
@Aethenosity OP's mother tongue is probably not English, but that is also how I read the question: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
1
1
@Aethenosity Like you said and like how I tried to rephrase the question with my own words, as I understand it: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
@Aethenosity Like you said and like how I tried to rephrase the question with my own words, as I understand it: If you have an out-of-focus area in an image, can you determine if it is in front of or behind the actual focus plane?
– jarnbjo
14 hours ago
@jarnbjo I'm indeed not a native English speaker, but if the question is unclear it is more likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding the proper terms to phrase it in. Your interpretation is correct. Blur will result either from the convergence point of light rays being behind the film/sensor (subject between camera and focal plane) or being in front of it (subject further than focal plane). In the latter case the a point light source is blurred "inverted". This answer cleverly makes use of that due to the difference in refraction for different wavelengths.
– G_H
4 mins ago
@jarnbjo I'm indeed not a native English speaker, but if the question is unclear it is more likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding the proper terms to phrase it in. Your interpretation is correct. Blur will result either from the convergence point of light rays being behind the film/sensor (subject between camera and focal plane) or being in front of it (subject further than focal plane). In the latter case the a point light source is blurred "inverted". This answer cleverly makes use of that due to the difference in refraction for different wavelengths.
– G_H
4 mins ago
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When the aperture is positioned to minimize vignetting, the bokeh shapes for objects that are too far is upside down compared with objects that are too near. If the arrangement of your aperture blades is not horizontally symmetrical, you can try finding "reference bokeh" that are clearly nearer or further than the focus plane to compare with highlights on the subject to see whether the bokeh shapes are the same or upside down.
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Very clever! And independent of color or black and white.
– G_H
9 mins ago
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When the aperture is positioned to minimize vignetting, the bokeh shapes for objects that are too far is upside down compared with objects that are too near. If the arrangement of your aperture blades is not horizontally symmetrical, you can try finding "reference bokeh" that are clearly nearer or further than the focus plane to compare with highlights on the subject to see whether the bokeh shapes are the same or upside down.
New contributor
Very clever! And independent of color or black and white.
– G_H
9 mins ago
add a comment |
When the aperture is positioned to minimize vignetting, the bokeh shapes for objects that are too far is upside down compared with objects that are too near. If the arrangement of your aperture blades is not horizontally symmetrical, you can try finding "reference bokeh" that are clearly nearer or further than the focus plane to compare with highlights on the subject to see whether the bokeh shapes are the same or upside down.
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When the aperture is positioned to minimize vignetting, the bokeh shapes for objects that are too far is upside down compared with objects that are too near. If the arrangement of your aperture blades is not horizontally symmetrical, you can try finding "reference bokeh" that are clearly nearer or further than the focus plane to compare with highlights on the subject to see whether the bokeh shapes are the same or upside down.
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Very clever! And independent of color or black and white.
– G_H
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Very clever! And independent of color or black and white.
– G_H
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Very clever! And independent of color or black and white.
– G_H
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Very clever! And independent of color or black and white.
– G_H
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My answer only deals with "human" ways in differentiation - that is: No software, only your eyes and hands.
If I have no reference (as in: you blind me, you set the focus distance, and then I can only look through the viewfinder, but cannot change a thing), the answer is: it depends on what I can see.
Take, for example, an alley of trees: one in front, one where the subject stands, and one in the distance. When I see that the subject is not sharp, I can try to tell whether the tree in the foreground or the one in the background is more in focus.
If I have no reference - e.g., as Yaba mentioned, when taking a photo of a aeroplane with blue sky in the background and no foreground, then I have no way to know exactly (my guess would be that focus is too close, however, as planes tend to be somewhere near infinity).
The easiest way to find out usually is to slightly change the focus and see where it is (again, this works better with a reference than without).
But generally speaking, there is no sure way to differentiate - too short a focus distance does not lead to (significantly) different blur compared to a focus distance that is too long.
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My answer only deals with "human" ways in differentiation - that is: No software, only your eyes and hands.
If I have no reference (as in: you blind me, you set the focus distance, and then I can only look through the viewfinder, but cannot change a thing), the answer is: it depends on what I can see.
Take, for example, an alley of trees: one in front, one where the subject stands, and one in the distance. When I see that the subject is not sharp, I can try to tell whether the tree in the foreground or the one in the background is more in focus.
If I have no reference - e.g., as Yaba mentioned, when taking a photo of a aeroplane with blue sky in the background and no foreground, then I have no way to know exactly (my guess would be that focus is too close, however, as planes tend to be somewhere near infinity).
The easiest way to find out usually is to slightly change the focus and see where it is (again, this works better with a reference than without).
But generally speaking, there is no sure way to differentiate - too short a focus distance does not lead to (significantly) different blur compared to a focus distance that is too long.
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My answer only deals with "human" ways in differentiation - that is: No software, only your eyes and hands.
If I have no reference (as in: you blind me, you set the focus distance, and then I can only look through the viewfinder, but cannot change a thing), the answer is: it depends on what I can see.
Take, for example, an alley of trees: one in front, one where the subject stands, and one in the distance. When I see that the subject is not sharp, I can try to tell whether the tree in the foreground or the one in the background is more in focus.
If I have no reference - e.g., as Yaba mentioned, when taking a photo of a aeroplane with blue sky in the background and no foreground, then I have no way to know exactly (my guess would be that focus is too close, however, as planes tend to be somewhere near infinity).
The easiest way to find out usually is to slightly change the focus and see where it is (again, this works better with a reference than without).
But generally speaking, there is no sure way to differentiate - too short a focus distance does not lead to (significantly) different blur compared to a focus distance that is too long.
My answer only deals with "human" ways in differentiation - that is: No software, only your eyes and hands.
If I have no reference (as in: you blind me, you set the focus distance, and then I can only look through the viewfinder, but cannot change a thing), the answer is: it depends on what I can see.
Take, for example, an alley of trees: one in front, one where the subject stands, and one in the distance. When I see that the subject is not sharp, I can try to tell whether the tree in the foreground or the one in the background is more in focus.
If I have no reference - e.g., as Yaba mentioned, when taking a photo of a aeroplane with blue sky in the background and no foreground, then I have no way to know exactly (my guess would be that focus is too close, however, as planes tend to be somewhere near infinity).
The easiest way to find out usually is to slightly change the focus and see where it is (again, this works better with a reference than without).
But generally speaking, there is no sure way to differentiate - too short a focus distance does not lead to (significantly) different blur compared to a focus distance that is too long.
answered 22 hours ago
floliloliloflolilolilo
4,55111633
4,55111633
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If the plane is too far or to close is just from the blur hard to say. the easiest way is to have objects in front and behind and see which one is sharp and so you could determine if it is too far or too close... this is the same way as it is done by calibrating the autofocus of a lens with a lenscal tool like this.
without such objects its hard to tell it.
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If the plane is too far or to close is just from the blur hard to say. the easiest way is to have objects in front and behind and see which one is sharp and so you could determine if it is too far or too close... this is the same way as it is done by calibrating the autofocus of a lens with a lenscal tool like this.
without such objects its hard to tell it.
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If the plane is too far or to close is just from the blur hard to say. the easiest way is to have objects in front and behind and see which one is sharp and so you could determine if it is too far or too close... this is the same way as it is done by calibrating the autofocus of a lens with a lenscal tool like this.
without such objects its hard to tell it.
If the plane is too far or to close is just from the blur hard to say. the easiest way is to have objects in front and behind and see which one is sharp and so you could determine if it is too far or too close... this is the same way as it is done by calibrating the autofocus of a lens with a lenscal tool like this.
without such objects its hard to tell it.
answered 21 hours ago
LuZelLuZel
510218
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With a plane in the sky it get's hard. Unlike there are other objects at different distances available (Birds, Clouds,...) you cannot compare it easily visually.
Some lense/camera combinations can track the focus distance and will write it into the EXIFs. However this is not very reliable, but could give you a hint. When you know the plane type and therefore can look up it's real size you can calculate it's aproximate distance and compare this to the focus distance.
This page with its calculator can help you with this: https://www.scantips.com/lights/subjectdistance.html
6
Geometric plane not Aeroplane
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Well, then the question was not clear. In this case it's easy. Look for other elements either in the front or behind that are in focus. However if it that's what has been asked I wonder why it was asked as this is obvious, isn't it?
– Yaba
yesterday
4
@Yaba "a plane that is too much in front of your subject". I think if an aeroplane is too close in front of what you're trying to shoot and in a state of movement that makes it hard to focus on, you have more urgent issues than getting a good photo.
– G_H
yesterday
1
@Yaba The question is if there are aspects to the blurred part of an image that can tell you if it's a result of back-focus or front-focus. You may not have anything in front or back of the subject to tell. Back-focusing would put the intended image "behind" the film/sensor plane, front focusing in front of it. Meaning front-focusing also inverts it. I thought this might affect the appearance of the blur in some noticeable way. I'm asking out of interest.
– G_H
23 hours ago
OK, understood. However still what I wrote applies. As long as you know the actual size of the subject you can calculate it's real distance (in case you do not know it) and compare it to the EXIF focal distance data to get a hint.
– Yaba
22 mins ago
add a comment |
With a plane in the sky it get's hard. Unlike there are other objects at different distances available (Birds, Clouds,...) you cannot compare it easily visually.
Some lense/camera combinations can track the focus distance and will write it into the EXIFs. However this is not very reliable, but could give you a hint. When you know the plane type and therefore can look up it's real size you can calculate it's aproximate distance and compare this to the focus distance.
This page with its calculator can help you with this: https://www.scantips.com/lights/subjectdistance.html
6
Geometric plane not Aeroplane
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Well, then the question was not clear. In this case it's easy. Look for other elements either in the front or behind that are in focus. However if it that's what has been asked I wonder why it was asked as this is obvious, isn't it?
– Yaba
yesterday
4
@Yaba "a plane that is too much in front of your subject". I think if an aeroplane is too close in front of what you're trying to shoot and in a state of movement that makes it hard to focus on, you have more urgent issues than getting a good photo.
– G_H
yesterday
1
@Yaba The question is if there are aspects to the blurred part of an image that can tell you if it's a result of back-focus or front-focus. You may not have anything in front or back of the subject to tell. Back-focusing would put the intended image "behind" the film/sensor plane, front focusing in front of it. Meaning front-focusing also inverts it. I thought this might affect the appearance of the blur in some noticeable way. I'm asking out of interest.
– G_H
23 hours ago
OK, understood. However still what I wrote applies. As long as you know the actual size of the subject you can calculate it's real distance (in case you do not know it) and compare it to the EXIF focal distance data to get a hint.
– Yaba
22 mins ago
add a comment |
With a plane in the sky it get's hard. Unlike there are other objects at different distances available (Birds, Clouds,...) you cannot compare it easily visually.
Some lense/camera combinations can track the focus distance and will write it into the EXIFs. However this is not very reliable, but could give you a hint. When you know the plane type and therefore can look up it's real size you can calculate it's aproximate distance and compare this to the focus distance.
This page with its calculator can help you with this: https://www.scantips.com/lights/subjectdistance.html
With a plane in the sky it get's hard. Unlike there are other objects at different distances available (Birds, Clouds,...) you cannot compare it easily visually.
Some lense/camera combinations can track the focus distance and will write it into the EXIFs. However this is not very reliable, but could give you a hint. When you know the plane type and therefore can look up it's real size you can calculate it's aproximate distance and compare this to the focus distance.
This page with its calculator can help you with this: https://www.scantips.com/lights/subjectdistance.html
answered yesterday
YabaYaba
1374
1374
6
Geometric plane not Aeroplane
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Well, then the question was not clear. In this case it's easy. Look for other elements either in the front or behind that are in focus. However if it that's what has been asked I wonder why it was asked as this is obvious, isn't it?
– Yaba
yesterday
4
@Yaba "a plane that is too much in front of your subject". I think if an aeroplane is too close in front of what you're trying to shoot and in a state of movement that makes it hard to focus on, you have more urgent issues than getting a good photo.
– G_H
yesterday
1
@Yaba The question is if there are aspects to the blurred part of an image that can tell you if it's a result of back-focus or front-focus. You may not have anything in front or back of the subject to tell. Back-focusing would put the intended image "behind" the film/sensor plane, front focusing in front of it. Meaning front-focusing also inverts it. I thought this might affect the appearance of the blur in some noticeable way. I'm asking out of interest.
– G_H
23 hours ago
OK, understood. However still what I wrote applies. As long as you know the actual size of the subject you can calculate it's real distance (in case you do not know it) and compare it to the EXIF focal distance data to get a hint.
– Yaba
22 mins ago
add a comment |
6
Geometric plane not Aeroplane
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Well, then the question was not clear. In this case it's easy. Look for other elements either in the front or behind that are in focus. However if it that's what has been asked I wonder why it was asked as this is obvious, isn't it?
– Yaba
yesterday
4
@Yaba "a plane that is too much in front of your subject". I think if an aeroplane is too close in front of what you're trying to shoot and in a state of movement that makes it hard to focus on, you have more urgent issues than getting a good photo.
– G_H
yesterday
1
@Yaba The question is if there are aspects to the blurred part of an image that can tell you if it's a result of back-focus or front-focus. You may not have anything in front or back of the subject to tell. Back-focusing would put the intended image "behind" the film/sensor plane, front focusing in front of it. Meaning front-focusing also inverts it. I thought this might affect the appearance of the blur in some noticeable way. I'm asking out of interest.
– G_H
23 hours ago
OK, understood. However still what I wrote applies. As long as you know the actual size of the subject you can calculate it's real distance (in case you do not know it) and compare it to the EXIF focal distance data to get a hint.
– Yaba
22 mins ago
6
6
Geometric plane not Aeroplane
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Geometric plane not Aeroplane
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Well, then the question was not clear. In this case it's easy. Look for other elements either in the front or behind that are in focus. However if it that's what has been asked I wonder why it was asked as this is obvious, isn't it?
– Yaba
yesterday
Well, then the question was not clear. In this case it's easy. Look for other elements either in the front or behind that are in focus. However if it that's what has been asked I wonder why it was asked as this is obvious, isn't it?
– Yaba
yesterday
4
4
@Yaba "a plane that is too much in front of your subject". I think if an aeroplane is too close in front of what you're trying to shoot and in a state of movement that makes it hard to focus on, you have more urgent issues than getting a good photo.
– G_H
yesterday
@Yaba "a plane that is too much in front of your subject". I think if an aeroplane is too close in front of what you're trying to shoot and in a state of movement that makes it hard to focus on, you have more urgent issues than getting a good photo.
– G_H
yesterday
1
1
@Yaba The question is if there are aspects to the blurred part of an image that can tell you if it's a result of back-focus or front-focus. You may not have anything in front or back of the subject to tell. Back-focusing would put the intended image "behind" the film/sensor plane, front focusing in front of it. Meaning front-focusing also inverts it. I thought this might affect the appearance of the blur in some noticeable way. I'm asking out of interest.
– G_H
23 hours ago
@Yaba The question is if there are aspects to the blurred part of an image that can tell you if it's a result of back-focus or front-focus. You may not have anything in front or back of the subject to tell. Back-focusing would put the intended image "behind" the film/sensor plane, front focusing in front of it. Meaning front-focusing also inverts it. I thought this might affect the appearance of the blur in some noticeable way. I'm asking out of interest.
– G_H
23 hours ago
OK, understood. However still what I wrote applies. As long as you know the actual size of the subject you can calculate it's real distance (in case you do not know it) and compare it to the EXIF focal distance data to get a hint.
– Yaba
22 mins ago
OK, understood. However still what I wrote applies. As long as you know the actual size of the subject you can calculate it's real distance (in case you do not know it) and compare it to the EXIF focal distance data to get a hint.
– Yaba
22 mins ago
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No
it is technically not possible to detect from the blur alone how far or in which direction the image is out of focus.
This is the reason why contrast-detection autofocus systems have to "hunt" for focus by repeatedly changing the focus distance and checking whether the image got better or worse.
In contrast, phase-detection AF systems know (theoretically) exactly how far and in which direction they have to change focus to achieve optimal sharpness.
Of course the image changes if you take context clues from other objects in the picture into account (i.e. "guessing"), but that is something which currently ony organic viewers can do. This might change with AI algorithms in-camera, but i suspect other advances will improve on pure CD-AF before that. (see @szulat 's link from acomment:https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh4/panasonic-gh4TECH.HTM)
4
In certain cases, software could determine this from other artifacts/aberrations that are a result of being out of focus - eg spherochromatism....
– rackandboneman
19 hours ago
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No
it is technically not possible to detect from the blur alone how far or in which direction the image is out of focus.
This is the reason why contrast-detection autofocus systems have to "hunt" for focus by repeatedly changing the focus distance and checking whether the image got better or worse.
In contrast, phase-detection AF systems know (theoretically) exactly how far and in which direction they have to change focus to achieve optimal sharpness.
Of course the image changes if you take context clues from other objects in the picture into account (i.e. "guessing"), but that is something which currently ony organic viewers can do. This might change with AI algorithms in-camera, but i suspect other advances will improve on pure CD-AF before that. (see @szulat 's link from acomment:https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh4/panasonic-gh4TECH.HTM)
4
In certain cases, software could determine this from other artifacts/aberrations that are a result of being out of focus - eg spherochromatism....
– rackandboneman
19 hours ago
add a comment |
No
it is technically not possible to detect from the blur alone how far or in which direction the image is out of focus.
This is the reason why contrast-detection autofocus systems have to "hunt" for focus by repeatedly changing the focus distance and checking whether the image got better or worse.
In contrast, phase-detection AF systems know (theoretically) exactly how far and in which direction they have to change focus to achieve optimal sharpness.
Of course the image changes if you take context clues from other objects in the picture into account (i.e. "guessing"), but that is something which currently ony organic viewers can do. This might change with AI algorithms in-camera, but i suspect other advances will improve on pure CD-AF before that. (see @szulat 's link from acomment:https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh4/panasonic-gh4TECH.HTM)
No
it is technically not possible to detect from the blur alone how far or in which direction the image is out of focus.
This is the reason why contrast-detection autofocus systems have to "hunt" for focus by repeatedly changing the focus distance and checking whether the image got better or worse.
In contrast, phase-detection AF systems know (theoretically) exactly how far and in which direction they have to change focus to achieve optimal sharpness.
Of course the image changes if you take context clues from other objects in the picture into account (i.e. "guessing"), but that is something which currently ony organic viewers can do. This might change with AI algorithms in-camera, but i suspect other advances will improve on pure CD-AF before that. (see @szulat 's link from acomment:https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh4/panasonic-gh4TECH.HTM)
answered 20 hours ago
thsths
5,3301620
5,3301620
4
In certain cases, software could determine this from other artifacts/aberrations that are a result of being out of focus - eg spherochromatism....
– rackandboneman
19 hours ago
add a comment |
4
In certain cases, software could determine this from other artifacts/aberrations that are a result of being out of focus - eg spherochromatism....
– rackandboneman
19 hours ago
4
4
In certain cases, software could determine this from other artifacts/aberrations that are a result of being out of focus - eg spherochromatism....
– rackandboneman
19 hours ago
In certain cases, software could determine this from other artifacts/aberrations that are a result of being out of focus - eg spherochromatism....
– rackandboneman
19 hours ago
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Yes, if the content includes edges at different distances.
If you can tell that a further object is more blurred than a nearer one, then it's further from the plane of focus. That means that the focus is too short.
Conversely, if the distant objects are less blurred than those in the foreground, the focus is too long.
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Yes, if the content includes edges at different distances.
If you can tell that a further object is more blurred than a nearer one, then it's further from the plane of focus. That means that the focus is too short.
Conversely, if the distant objects are less blurred than those in the foreground, the focus is too long.
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Yes, if the content includes edges at different distances.
If you can tell that a further object is more blurred than a nearer one, then it's further from the plane of focus. That means that the focus is too short.
Conversely, if the distant objects are less blurred than those in the foreground, the focus is too long.
Yes, if the content includes edges at different distances.
If you can tell that a further object is more blurred than a nearer one, then it's further from the plane of focus. That means that the focus is too short.
Conversely, if the distant objects are less blurred than those in the foreground, the focus is too long.
answered 3 hours ago
Toby SpeightToby Speight
312213
312213
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